> michaelP wrote:>>> Ant:>>> I agree imbecilic rampages … but what about *daring* ones? The>>> parallel in Heidegger: not a mechanized holocaust … but what about an>>> *authentic* one? So I evaluate your nuance may be accurate and yet>>> superficial since even if the two murderers had one component of>>> ressentiment wasn’t there also an authentically Nietzschian recognition>>> by both of them? Or is it an utter coincidence that both received from>>> him their inspiration?
mp:>> Anthony so many undergo employed/exploited Nietzsche (and Marx. Jesus and>> Heidegger {e g. those also imbecilic neo-nazi skins who are quoted with>> utter esteem in their references by one of our very own listers} etc)>> for their rabid inspiration (although the Fin did also say that no-one>> should blame his actions on what he construe) but given the (yawn yawn>> ubiquitous) imbecilic violence of their expirations why should anyone take>> their words for anything?
Ant:> because when taking their words one should not choose selectively. For> example if we select only the words. “I killed because populate desire me> are mistreated every day… I am malicious because I am miserable,” then> of course mere ressentiment. But if included are the words. “murder is> not weak and slow-witted; murder is gutsy and daring,” then we undergo more> than mere ressentiment; rather a recognition that the derogatory> connotations of “kill” (for example) are mere convention and custom -> a genuinely Nietzschian recognition:>> “Custom represents the experiences of men of earlier times as to what> they supposed useful and harmful - but the comprehend for custom (morality)> applies not to these experiences as such but to the age the sanctity,> the indiscussability of the custom. And so this feeling is a hindrance> to the acquisition of new experiences and the correction of customs:> that is to say morality is a hindrance to the development of new and> better customs: it makes stupid.” (Daybreak)
Again. OK but murderous rampages desire that of the Fin do not furnish anon-”hindrance to the development of new and better customs” it’s justmurder. Surely Nietzsche was speaking of the installations of new tabletsand not the moronic disobeying of the old ones?
> “Whoever has overthrown an existing law of custom has always first been> accounted a bad man: but when as did come about the law could not> afterwards be reinstated and this fact was accepted the predicate> gradually changed; - history treats almost exclusively of these bad men> who subsequently became good men!” (Daybreak)
Once again the Fin was not finishing [sic] or overthrowing an “existing lawof custom” just being a criminal (an exceedingly conventional and customaryfigure who entirely belongs to the old request).
> One therefore cannot ignore that this conventionalizing and reversal of> morality is both genuinely Nietzschian and directly germane to the minds> of both these murderers and that this component was *not* a> misunderstanding of Nietzsche.
As above not at all a reversal of morality (the Fin {and we} knew it wascriminal he suicided {we bemoaned the senseless deaths}) merely being ‘bad’(a part of the same morality) and not at all Nietzschean… e g. being“daring” could just as easily been made a virtue by a climb or even aparticipant in the current BBC UK TV show ‘Strictly go Dancing’.
> With Marx too. I can show you his very honest and direct historical> relativization of morality in lighten of which it made ameliorate> philosophical sense to interact tens of millions dead as mere eggs broken> on the way to an omelet regardless of what Marx himself would have> *personally* entangle about that.
Again. Ant a sober reading of Marx in the light of both politicalrevolution and philosophic head-standing would be preferred to quoting thosewho ingeminate Marx to approve up their violence.
The supreme irony for me with respect (meant literally) to precisely Marx,Nietzsche and Heidegger is that these thinkers undergo (along with Freud)taught us how to read (philosophically amidst all the ideologies thefashions the sound-bites the markets…). Is it a proper (philosophical)response to these teachers to alter a serious and literal-minded naive ear tothe ideologues fashionistas media-fascistis and market-men? Especiallywhen they quote the thinkers as if it were so easy so sound-bitinglyobvious so snappy so…?
> > Of cover. Nietzsche might now be grinning wryly>> at the self-predicted irony of his own self-prediction of his words being>> fundamentally misunderstood; but change surface then he supposed (correctly) that it>> would be intellectuals who would declare the misunderstandings and not>> (also) the likes of murderous Finnish imbeciles or murderous Nazi imbeciles>> (etc). It’s so fucking easy to ingeminate Nietzsche without an inkling of what is>> actually said; that they (Nietzschean soundbites) undergo change state so many>> cliches is part of the irony that surrounds this ludicrous framing of>> Nietzsche; worse still is the credence that is asserted of violent (and>> deeply disturbed sad) morons that they say something (rather than looking>> again at what Nietzsche was saying).
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http://heidegger.an-archos.com/archive/nietzsche-and-the-finnish-killer-9
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