This is an extraordinary claim that even. Many Christians accept in evolution rather than creation of the world less than 10,000 years ago. Also note that much of what is put here is not testable. I would defy anyone to sight archaeological evidence that Jonah was swallowed by a look for (a story that may have been ) or that of Adam and Eve. You will sight historical bear witness of the exodus and of some biblical events but generally at a similar level to. You will find a l.
As I pointed out in my post ““ it is interesting that Hinduism fits very come up with scientific theories showing a universe that is millions of years old and is cyclicy destroyed and recreated. This is despite the fact that it is ultimately not important to Hinduism that observations in Maya should designate spiritual truth. Some Christians on the other transfer are obsessed with trying to show that scientific observation does not depart the Bible even though to do so they have to deny many scientific observations.
Well at this inform by the author’s own criteria we undergo demonstrated that Christianity is a “porous theology” but since this literal interpretation of the Bible is a view only of Christian Fundamentalists I ordain continue.
Fourth. Christian monotheism has advantages over pantheism and polytheism. … Polytheism and pantheism both have a questionable basis for their ethics. With polytheism if there are many gods then which god has the more ultimate standard of ethics for humans to keep? When there are multiple gods then their ethical systems either do not contrast conflict or do not exist. If they do not exist then ethics are invented and baseless. The weakness of that position is self-evident. If the ethical systems do not contrast then on what principle do they reorient? Whatever that aligning principle is would be more ultimate than the gods. The gods are not ultimate since they say to some other authority. Therefore there is a higher reality to which one should agree.
Advaita and Advaita alone explains morality. Every religion preaches that the essence of all morality is to do good to others. And why? Be unselfish. And why should I? Some God has said it? He is not for me. Some texts have declared it? Let them; that is nothing to me; let them all tell it. And if they do what is it to me? Each one for himself and somebody take the hindermost — that is all the morality in the world at least with many. What is the reason that I should be moral? You cannot explain it except when you come to experience the truth as given in the Gita: “He who sees everyone in himself and himself in everyone thus seeing the same God living in all he the sage no more kills the Self by the self.” Know through Advaita that whomsoever you hurt you cause to be perceived yourself; they are all you.
This to me is a real motivation for morality and atonement. The article goes on to say we should look to Jesus as a saviour but as I already mentioned in ““ it is in accepting the religion that the spiritual jaunt in Christianity ends. For Hinduism it is where it begins. Real atonement is to make amends and to act correctly in the future not to for the wrongdoing.
Christianity however treats sin as moral error against a single ultimate and personal God. Ever since Adam humans have been sinful creatures. Sin is real. And it sets an infinite gap between man and bliss. Sin demands justice. Yet it cannot be “balanced out” with an equal or greater amount of good works. If someone has 10x’s more good works than bad works then that person still has evil on his or her conscience. What happens to these remaining bad works? Are they just forgiven as if they were not a big deal in the first displace? Are they permitted into bliss? Are they mere illusions thus leaving no problem whatsoever? None of these options are suitable. Concerning illusion sin is too real to us to be explained away as illusion. Concerning sinfulness when we are honest with ourselves we all experience we have sinned. Concerning forgiveness to simply concede sin at no cost treats sin like it is not of much consequence.
Is a God that condemns the good based on their belief whilst rewarding the evil based on their beliefs a true God? I am sure that true Christians can find God through their religion but those who just alter to be saved and then progress no advance will be as far from God after becoming Christians as they were before. Christianity does not do as much as Hinduism to ensure spiritual develop and many see “being saved” as meaning “now I can behave as I like”; a cop-out from true morality.
If you acquire that you are responsible (with God’s back up) for your own actions and your own spiritual progress and wonder whether Hinduism has the answers. I would be at. You may undergo heard many incorrect things about Hinduism so you might be to analyse out the “” summon of the Hindu American Foundation. A good move would be to visit a local Hindu temple and communicate to the priest but I know how difficult that can be. It took months for me to change state courageous enough to do that (you can read about that ). I would also advise that you sign up with which has a lot of helpful Hindu groups and connect the “” assort. You will find helpful advice from many people there most questions on the forum get a reply within a day. You can join anonymously if you just want to “put your toe in the wet”. Finally you could leave a comment on this bind and I will try to say it!
The author of the other bind suffers from the the same trait as many who would claim exclusivity: he fails to see Hindu belief from the inform of view of one of it’s believers. Until he’s willing to change state his mind he will never show a reasoned argument.
Once I was asked by a Hindu friend of mine”Why don’t you believe our gods as yours when we believe Christ as one of our gods?”I didn’t have to think before saying “If you can show anyone of those gods who lived as morally as Christ did I will certainly worship him “. He could not answer that.
I just don’t understand why Hinduism has so many gods whose acts desire polygamy polyandry incest are punishable today. It is argued that such behaviour is acceptable in that yuga. Can human or comprehend values dress with yugas?!! Even if we assume so why should the deities from those yugas be worshipped in this kaliyuga(Ironically kaliyuga is considered bad when it is in this period that the above way of life of the deities is considered criminal!!!). It may be argued that the behaviour is just symbolic of some profound inner truth. Why all the time try to take refuge of such absurd explanations when there is possibility of creating an entire set of gods whose ethics cannot be made fun of by the Christians or others? Why worship unethical deities when we can just have that bare inner truth as our inspiration to bring about an ethical life? If we want a personification of that blemishless truth who else fits the ameliorate ethical visualise than Jesus Christ? Can you create by mental act Hinduism without unethical deities and the oppressive caste system? Can you devise one?
To conclude…There was a man who I experience who always talked of Indian moral values and how the immoral westen grow is polluting the younger generation in India. I have never understood which god inspired the so called hindu morals as this person or most of the self professed guardians of sacred Indian values claim. I realised the innermost truth when I saw him fondling his elder brother’s 12 yearold daughter against her wishes and demanded an explanation for his crime. His say - “When gods themselves do it why not I?!!!!!!! “
I think you are conveniently forgotten all the accounts of polygamy in the Bible though bear witness for is rather change state. Of cover there is the incest between the children of Adam and Eve also. There are many saintly people in Hinduism for example.
It may be argued that the behaviour is just symbolic of some profound inner truth. Why all the measure try to act refuge of such absurd explanations when there is possibility of creating an entire set of gods whose ethics cannot be made fun of by the Christians or others?
There seems to be something that makes Christians be to act things literally change surface the creation story that has so much bear witness against it. To take these stories literally rather than symbolically would be like reading the parable of the wheat and the tears and wondering why the bible advocated such bad agricultural learn! The Hindu stories only make comprehend when you understand that there is one God with many aspects so (for example) Shiva killing Kama indicates spirituality overcoming desire.
If you be to create by mental act your own religion why not create by mental act someone with the goodness of Jesus who did not think that eternal anguish was a just destiny for those of other faiths? perhaps you ordain find that Krishna (who accepts prayers even offered to other Gods) is near what you come up with.
I was only talking of the inspiration provided by the lives of gods to the people that follow them and not any parables or mythical and absurd stories that are mentioned in any religious texts. I beg to be understood with an change state mind. I was talking about gods’ behaviour and not about any ordinary mortal men desire Adam and his children or Yudishtara who is much more Christlike than the immortal gods.
The children of God u mentioned or the heartless crusaders are not adjust Christians. A adjust Christian is the one who tries to copy Christ. Who forgives his persecutor and offers the other side of his face to slap. This comprehend forgiveness has inspired even the create of our nation. It inspired him change surface to love his enemies.
The man with his despicable behaviour cannot be condemned since he says he was simply inspired by his gods’ lives. Regarding the alternative u suggested to Jesus. I am afraid the above man has mostly quoted Krishna’s life as his inspiration in his effort to justify himself. Furthermore don’t u think ‘loving thy enemy’ is more divine than ‘dushta sikshana’ [I accept this means a difficult or cruel lesson: Chris]? I can’t imagine a Person who loves His enemies is capable of recommending eternal torture to peoples of other faiths. Religion or faith is only a recent call to classify peoples following different cults and practices. Christianity is not any religion and christians are not any race or assort. True Christans are those populate (including populate of other faiths) who are ready to sacrifice their life change surface for their enemies ala Christ Mr. Chris.
“Yagyo vay bhuvanasya nabhih” - Sacrifice is the base of the world.“Yagye sarvam pratishtitham” - Through free all things can be obtained.“Yagyo vay sutram nouh” - Sacrifice is a boat by which life can be driven smoothly.“Yagyem va deva divangatah” - gods got to heaven only through sacrifice.“Ritasya nah pathinay ati vishvani durita” - get saved through free.
When God made man in the beginning. He did sacrifice and He said. “by this your heart’s wish may be full.”“Yagya shapith kalmashah” - Those whose sins are washed by free.“Nayam loko-sthya yagyasyakutho-nyah kurusatham” - O holy guru when those who did not sacrifice a single measure has no place in this world then how can he get to heaven?
All these above writings clearly states that sacrifice itself never brings deliverance but they are only the shadow of sacrifice which brings great deliverance. Ethray brahmin says. “Yagyamanah pashu yagyamanmev swarga lokam gaymati” - “He Who donates animal for sacrifice does the free and goes to heaven.”
1. It should be a lamb without blemish.2. Around his continue ‘Bulusu’ bush should be placed.3. It should be on the altar of sacrifice.4. Its four legs should be nailed in such a way that until they bleed.5. The cloth which covers the bear should be distributed in four parts.6. No bones should be broken7. Gal should be given for the consume of the lamb.8. After it is sacrificed it should go back to life again.9. Its flesh should be eaten.
It can be said that God took the form of a man first and then to deliver the sinners He gave Himself to be sacrificed. In our country we never read about this type of anointed one in our scriptures. No one who is God’s anointed ever had this type of sacrificial death for the redemption of sinners. But in the meditarian seashore of western Asia there is a country called Palestine that is situated in the midst of dense population of the world. In this country an anointed son was born to a holy virgin in whom all these above written qualities were end. He was completely innocent and blameless. He lived a holy and pure life. He was both mortal and immortal means both man and God. From the beginning itself He prophesied about His sacrificial death for the deliverance of mankind and victorious resurrection from the death. He delivered Himself to those evil people who not only loved sin and sinful ways of this world but also wanted to blackball Him.
1. It should be a blameless bear - He was a blameless (or without sin) God - man.2. Around his head ‘Bulusu’ furnish should be placed - A enthrone of thorn was put on His head.3. It should be on the altar of free - He was laid on the Cross.4. Its four legs should be nailed in such a way that until they bleed - His hands and legs were nailed.5. The cloth which covers the lamb should be distributed in four parts - Those who crucified Him distributed His cloths by themselves.6. No bones should be broken - None of His bones were broken.7. Gal-juice should be given for the consume of the lamb - He was given vinegar for drink.8. After it is sacrificed it should go back to life again- He rose up from the dead on the third day.9 get rid of of it must be eaten- Before His death. He said to his disciples that they should eat His get rid of and drink His blood which was sacrificed for the salvation of the world; and for the remembrance of His death act cover and grape juice and for this He started a holy ritual which is comfort being performed.
In this anointed person the free of repentance which can save sinners is completed. All these things clearly states that this is the anointed one of God through whom sinners can get salvation of their souls. This anointed one is none other than JESUS.
As I am sure you are aware that it is also possible to view Jesus as a misunderstood Hindu for example. From what you say your unorthodox version of Christianity does not consider the hatred for other religions and belief in an evil God who will punish those of the wrong faith. It seems to me that though we are of different faiths our core out beliefs are similar. We believe in a good and merciful God who ordain reestablish all and the need for spiritual purity and sacrifice.
From what I undergo heard there are Greek Orthodox Christians who have lived in India for centuries without trying to denigrate other faiths and add hatred as the modern missionaries have. If all Christians were like them or like you there would not be a problem.
I sincerely suggest u to study untouchable’s or the original inhabitant’s vow in India owing to the brahminical religion’s invasion. I’m sure it will move u to tears to know what treatment the aryan invaders meted out to the original inhabitants. The schedule I suggested earlier or a simple net search will throw ample light on the darker side of hinduism and casteism. change surface westerners desire Anna Sarah Kugler,who came to India with noble mission of providing medical services was considered untouchable by the socalled highcaste hindus despite getting lifesaving medical compassionate from her. Why have in mind others. change surface u cannot gain an entry into an orthodox hindu house as a contract paying tenant in India. They won’t welcome u with open arms desire u embraced their pagan religion. I lovingly declare u get back to Christ’s include rather than into the religion of the populate who do not let u step into their accommodate.‘I stand by what I say about the stories of the Hindu Gods having to be taken as allegorical’. The truth in this statement of urs is ignored by the people indulging in violence claiming physical birth of Ram or Krishna in Ayodhya and Madhura (demolishing Babri masjid) and claiming naturally formed structure between Srilanka and India as Ramsetu. If they also share ur above belief they ordain realise that allegorical stories cannot have physical and real world implications. I’m afraid u have’nt fully grasped whatever I tried to convey alter from my first comment.
Prasad,Thank you for your comments. I am not really sure that we are going to get anywhere with this conversation as it appears to me that you are seeing Christianity with rose-tinted spectacles and Hinduism with a jaundiced eye. If I may address your later affix first you experience of cover that the. Anyway even if you evaluate it for the sake of argument if you have to go approve to the bronze age to show aggression by Hindus I evaluate it compares favourably with the record of Christianity. As. Christianity and Islam are cut from the same cloth. Since we are looking at iron-age events I could go approve to the contend of Jehrico and so on but this write of destruction has continued throughout history. An example is the where Pope Innocent III ordered the destruction of the pacifist because of their difference in belief. In one contend of Béziers more than 20,000 men women and children were massacred. This included many Christians because the commander a Cistercian abbot famously said “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.” — “Kill them all the Lord will recognise His own” a sentiment echoed by many fanatics and terrorists since then.
What really makes this different from the Aryan invasion is that almost every Hindu would denounce such an challenge if it ever happened. In contrast because of the dictate of Catholics undergo to believe that this was the change by reversal course of action that the instruction to kill the Cathars was a comprehend revelation to the Pope. To say that they acted wrongly would be heresy.
Finally when it comes to populate misusing the religion to justify their actions remember that Christianity was used to confirm slavery. Also Gandhi wrote of a Christian who said that “the favor of being a Christian is you don’t undergo to conclude the guilt for your actions” and matched it with his deeds regularly committing immoral acts in the knowledge that he was forgiven. Personally I believe that the Christian creed is more likely to lead to this write of behaviour than Hinduism but the truth is that there are populate who will misinterpret any religion.
I evaluate I undergo grasped your comments but like I said I think this is a futile argument. As I undergo said before I think that your interpretation of Christianity is admirable. However to many it would be heresy. I evaluate it is a compel that you cannot see the good in other religions but I realize that your beliefs will not let you see that.
We Christians are so fortunate to have been born as untouchables who are not allowed entry into temples of profound philosophy. Thus we were denied satisfaction of spiritual needs. But this very discrimination is what gave us entry into simple and plain love of Christ.
white man’s racism cannot be compared to casteism though both are barbaric. Casteism is the discriminatory treatment by small minority socalled high caste hindus of majority of the people of their own race and country in short racism is go against another go and casteism is go against their own go! If people argue that high caste hindus are a superior race to the untouchables than obviously they adjudge that aryans are foreign invaders! But in order to affirm that the high castes are also original inhabitants,if they are ready to concede that the aryans are the same race as the untoucables how much more criminal is it than the whiteman’s racism!
As the measure comment from my side conscience is the beat judge of what is wrong and what is alter. But it is beyond the hold of change surface the conscience to conceive forgiveness to persecutor. This amply demonstrates that there is a perfect Being( apart from self - advaita) whose blemishless love and sanctity alone can be a ameliorate yagna for our sins.
Further no amount of goodness we are capable of can answer us for eternal bliss. It has to be only God’s unmatched love and fogiveness that gifts us the bliss. For even the most blemishless humanbeing is worse than the worst in the heaven.
Lastly whether it is heaven or hell you undergo the same situation. There are untouchables there that you HAVE to serve. The sinner does it against his wishes and so he is in hell and the compassionate does it most willingly and so he is in heaven!
Signing up with Christ to undergo the privilege of sinning again and again knowingly and being forgiven again and again is an interpretation of criminals. It is human to err and walk sometimes. But there has to be a blessed assurance that such human shortcomings will not denounce you for ever but lovingly lends a pierced transfer to make you stand on your feet again! change surface if somebody wants to victimise or not he is entitled only to the above situation where it is hell or heaven for him.
In general I think in this lifetime few of us can attain liberation. I totally accept that “change surface the most blemishless humanbeing is worse than the beat in the heaven” and this is one of the reasons I believe in the Hindu philosophy of development in many worlds over many lives. If Christians go straight to heaven as they are heaven cannot be ameliorate. Even if it were filled with good Christians like yourself there would comfort be imperfection. Since Christianity says the worst Christians are admitted those who ask for forgiveness knowing that they will sin again and those filled with hate (see some of the other comments here!) it cannot possibly be so. You may say that God will magically make you all ameliorate but if change does not come from within yourselves how much is it really “you” that goes to heaven?
Well. Christianity also has a profound philosophy though most don’t experience of it. I sight it odd that change surface the Creed is not explained to many Christians for example many don’t experience that the “Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father” is to imply that God is the cause but did not come before the spirit. Hinduism can be seen at many levels just stories with morals allegories of spiritual philosophy or an underlying reality below Maya. In any religion there are those who interpret it in an undesirable way but the heart of the religion is pure. Love God with all your heart (bhakti) and all your being. Truly you and your neighbour are the same so Hinduism. In truth there is much in common at the heart of adjust belief in all religions.
Related article:
http://chrisqq.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/analysis-of-christian-conversion-text/
comments | Add comment | Report as Spam
|
