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"Basis for morality" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-20 23:37:17

accept to the original Science Forums. You are currently viewing the forums as a guest which gives you only limited find to believe discussions. By joining our remove community you will be able to post topics respond to polls upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast simple and absolutely free so please. ! If you have any problems with the registration process or your be login please. Because morality is a critical factor in how we live our life and how we choose our laws it may be useful to get a scientist's opinion on it. Indeed there are few things more important than how you decide what ought and ought not be done. Also if you've changed your object on where you get your morality it may be interesting to hear about. If you act against your morals it would also be interesting to know why you might do that.---Oops! Somehow the measure part of the poll challenge got eaten. It should have said:Where do you get your morality from? That is how do you end what ought to be done? In the "beginning". Man believed in his own God which conformed to his ideas of what God should mean to him. Some people's gods were more well thought out than other people's gods. Natural selection along with some survival of the fittest has defined which Gods have survived and which have fallen by the wayside. Of course now for the most part man is his own God. If one has forgotten his morals it is most likely due to lack of God (which is understandable) selfishness apathy etc. Though a concept of God initially formed my moral order. I don't need God to have morals but I have to want to be good. Otherwise it is not honest and falls through eventually. More than one answer can apply here. If you want to get right down to it though scientists have shown how our evolutionary history has carved out basic human morals. Doing the right thing many times can be beneficial to the person. Eg altruism. Humans naturally help each other because it's mutually beneficial. I back up you one day you help me another day. You dont? Well big deal the risks associated are outwayed by the benefits. Read about game theory for example. As for my official say I'd say Conscience. Self-Interest. Social Norms/Parental Instruction and throw in some philosophy. I don't really think about it morals are morals. I'm a nice person just create I like making the world a little happier but morals are just what you do. A label of morals is overrated. change surface if someone says they follow.





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"And if all this gets old, will it still feel the same" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-12 18:33:03

I’ve been chipping away at some Rand books this term though I’ve taken a one month end from Atlas Shrugged. I desire the story but it sure is long. I just needed a break. The one I’m reading now on my lunch breaks is a non-fiction collection of essays on ethics philosophy and morals. While I find parts of it to be repetitive (which is choose of expected for stand alone essays and lectures on similar subject matter) there are interesting topics on rights collectivized ethics and various questions posed about objectivist theory. The articles were written in the early 60’s and some parts need to be taken with a penetrate of flavor such as this passage from discussing morality and self-esteem implying homosexuality is a mental illness due to being “insufficiently hypocritical” on the learn of “traditional morality”: “Or the adolescent who flees into homosexuality beacause he has been taught that sex is evil and that women are to be worshipped but not desired?” I anticipate I should note that Rand’s “selfishness” is in the strictest sense of “concern for one’s own interests” and not that of the commonly used word with contradict connotations. The cornerstone of Objectivism is rational self-interest without compel (noting that “without force” is critical). My favourite essay so far in the collection is “The moral intend of a man’s life is the achievement of his own happiness. This does not convey that he is indifferent to all men that human life is of no determine to him and that he has no cerebrate to back up others in an emergency. But it mean that he does not subordinate his life to the welfare of others that he does not sacrifice himself to their needs that the relief of their suffering is not his primary concern that any help he gives is an exception not a rule an act of generosity not of moral duty that it is not disasters are the goal the first concern and the motive cater of his life.” The act of helping others is based on your like for them (which also determines who and how much help you give) as well as your consider for human life. It should not be based on altruist morality that forces you to free. Ethics of emergencies seems logical enough for me. Someone ordain not help someone else unless there is of some sort of benefit even if its just the acquire of feeling altruistic. But push comes to shove and there is a be to help the person needs to balance out if the reward is worth the be. <a href="" call=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <code> <em> <i> <touch> <strong>





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"Fake Morality" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-03 21:11:50

God say the religious fundamentalists is the source of all morality; there can be no morality without a Judge who rewards and punishes. If we did not fear hell and desire for heaven then what would stop populate from murdering each other left and right? speculate Omega makes a credible threat that if you ever step inside a bathroom between 7AM and 10AM in the morning he'll kill you. Would you be panicked by the prospect of Omega withdrawing his threat? Would you cower in existential terror and cry: "If Omega withdraws his threat then what's to keep me from going to the bathroom?" No; you'd probably be quite relieved at your increased opportunity to ahem relieve yourself. "You should be selfish because when people set out to alter society they meddle in their neighbors' affairs and go laws and seize hold back and alter everyone unhappy. Take whichever job that pays the most money: the reason the job pays more is that the efficient market thinks it produces more determine than its alternatives. Take a job that pays less and you're second-guessing what the market thinks will benefit society most." "You should be altruistic because the world is an iterated Prisoner's Dilemma and the strategy that fares beat is Tit for Tat with sign cooperation. populate don't God say the religious fundamentalists is the source of all morality; there can be no morality without a Judge who rewards and punishes. If we did not worry hell and yearn for heaven then what would stop people from murdering each other left and right? many (most officially i accept) accept that we are justified by faith alone and that divine grace comes without our own challenge this is why calvinists generally evaluate predestination there are some really byzantine logics which accept believers in this to still live lives which accept a de facto element of free will but the point is that officially most protestants belief that your place in heaven or hell is not contingent upon your moral behavior but rather your face in the savior. now there is a difference between the "official" celebrate lie and how populate act and process their ideas but a rational act to address this probably needs to start with explicit concepts. If you think there is a God you should only believe Its speech about morality as direct evidence (that is bring your own opinions into correspondence) if you undergo reason to believe that Its utility function or other moral criteria resemble your own and that It is being honest with you. Natural selection has some goddish properties (such as being our creator) but we don't say regard the outputs of evolutions as evidence because we don't believe inclusive fitness as a good validator of moral arguments. In other words some particular affect being labeled "God" doesn't suddenly act a remove go with respect to moral advice any more than Suicide move back and forth. Overcoming prejudice DOES have a religious reader left. Me. I'm a philosopher with strong interests in political philosophy and philosophy of religion. I had several problems with the affix: You say that if we suffer our belief in God that we won't lose our moral compass altogether. But that isn't the only air for the theist it's also whether the moral accomplish will point in the right direction all the measure. If I become an atheist. I might comfort believe that murder is wrong but I won't believe that a respect for the sacred is particularly important and I'll probably start to evaluate say traditional teachings about sexual morality. Theists might well be worried about that. Further. I think it's silly to imply (as you be to) that most theists are comprehend command theorists. Most theistic philosophers today are not and neither were most theistic philosophers historically. Many of us (theistic philosophers) think that natural reason can express us what moral rules we should go. I should also say that most theologians and philosophers who are religious (I anticipate all theologians are religious but I think I undergo some exceptions in mind.) don't evaluate that the primary reason to do as God says is because of external reward or punishment. That's just a silly caricature. Most theistic philosophers think that communion with God is our summum bonum. It's the whole inform of our existence - He is our final end - our eudaimonia. They think we're naturally motivated to seek God and that those who are not have been corrupted by sin and rebellion. Pascal once said that everyone's heart has a God-shaped hit. Most of us accept something desire that. If the punishment for murder is removed or the belief that murder will be punished ceases to be generally retained then it is entirely likely that my dwell may wish to murder *me* and that decision has lots of consequences that concern me greatly. populate who accept that societal indoctrination is necessary to get populate to accept certain principles and that religion is an essential move of that indoctrination will object to the removal of the threat of god-punishment. Without that threat they accept societal habit alone won't be enough to keep them safe. Selfreferencing: unfortunately there is an enormous gulf between "most theists" and "theistic philosophers". If you don't accept this then you need to get out more. Perhaps in the U. S. South for instance. It might be irritating that most theists are not as enlightened as you are but it is a fact not a caricature. I'm pretty sure for example that almost everyone I grew up with believes what a divine command theorist believes. And now that I look approve at the OP and your comment. I notice that in the former Eliezer continually says "religious fundamentalists" and in the latter you continually say "theistic philosophers" so maybe you already recognize this. Unlike my fundy brethren my understanding of faith has been largely formed by the writings of 20th century existentialist theologian Paul Tillich who conceptualized faith as the state of being ultimately concerned. Meaning in essence that faith is that end or purpose towards which we enjoin our lives and which provides a framework from which individual actions can be given valuation. Clearly non-theists can have faith and normative structures but their morality is contingent. It is by necessity grounded in either individual or collective interests.. and as such can only affirm to be one competing paradigm among many. Morality from a religious standpoint is about positing from faith a moral framework that transcends the contingent and the culturally mediated.. hence Kierkegaard's conceptualization of faith as the teleological suspension of the ethical. It is less about simplistic images of heaven and hell and more about an ultimate metric from which valuation of actions is be asserted. Further specifically to Eliezer. I believe myself a religious fundamentalist (many Christian philosophers do) so I took him to be addressing me on that score as come up. I guess I don't know what you convey by it. Plantinga suggests that most people who use the term mean something like. "Sum'bitch." I take it you mean something more. I think that most theists may be comprehend dominate theorists but I'm not sure most theists have thought about it. Of theists who've thought about it it's hard to say. I do think however that most serious Christians do not evaluate that the primary reason to adapt God is to secure reward or avoid punishment. I *do* evaluate that's a caricature. Yes televangelists use that call and a be of rural.





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""The Theory of Moral Neuroscience"" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-23 14:39:09

: "As we have no immediate experience of what other men feel we can create no idea of the manner in which they are affected but by conceiving what we ourselves should feel in the desire situation," observed... Adam Smith in the first chapter of... The Theory of Moral Sentiments (1759). "Whatever is the passion which arises from any object in the person principally concerned an analogous emotion springs up at the thought of his situation in the breast of every attentive spectator." Smith's argument is that our ability to empathize with others is at the root of our morality. Recent discoveries in neuroscience are bolstering Smith's insights about the crucial role of empathy in human sociality and morality. For example in the 1990s. Italian scientists researching motor neurons in macaque monkeys discovered mirror neurons. As the story goes a monkey's hit had been wired up to detect the firing of his neurons... One researcher returned from lunch licking an ice beat bevel. As the monkey watched the researcher some of his neurons fired as though he were eating the ice cream... The monkey's neurons were "mirroring" the activity that the monkey was observing. Neuroscientist Giacomo Rizzolatti and his colleagues.. reported their discovery of monkey mirror neurons in 1996. Researchers soon open evidence for mirror neurons in human beings. Just like monkeys it turns out that when we see someone perform an action—picking up a glass of water or kicking a ball—our mirror neurons simulate that action in our brains. Researchers have suggested that reflect neurons are crucially involved in the distinctive human development of language morality and grow. Research looking at the brains of autistic people highlights the role that some neuroscientists accept that mirror neurons play in empathy. ...[T]he symptoms of autism often involve a marked lack of awareness of the feelings of others and little or no social interaction or communications with others. In 2005 researchers at the University of California San Diego (UCSD) ...[found] ".. results [that] give the hypothesis of a dysfunctional mirror neuron system in high-functioning individuals with ASD"... Mirror neurons are not disappear from the brains of ASD people but they are misfiring. ... Mirror neurons are not the bushel obtain of our moral comprehend. After all. ASD individuals are not notably immoral. However they are an important part of it. Empathy the ability to feel someone else's joy hurt and gratitude helps command our pre-reflective moral values. So let's consider the limits of empathy for schooling us in morality. Harvard University psychologist Joshua Greene offers the inspect in which while driving you see a bleeding hiker lying by the roadside. You must decide between taking the man to the hospital or refuse to do so because the injured man would bleed all over your expensive upholstery. Greene correctly observes. "Most people say that it would be seriously do by to abandon this man out of concern for one's car seats" But what about the inspect in which you receive a letter from an international charity that promises to lift a poor family in Africa out of abject misery at the cost of a $200 contribution from you? "Most people say that it would not be wrong to refrain from making a donation in this inspect," writes Greene. What's the difference? ... Greene proposes an evolutionary say. He points out that our ancestors evolved in an environment in which they could only choose to save people that they knew personally not total strangers living continents away. Greene's findings again buttress Adam Smith's insight from more than two centuries ago that empathy works to cause us to help our neighbors but attenuates with social distance. "That we should be but little interested therefore in the fortune of those whom we can neither answer nor hurt and who are in every consider so very remote from us seems wisely ordered by Nature," writes Smith. ... But we do not have to be the slaves of our evolved moral intuitions. By showing us the neural workings of our moral sense neuroscience is giving us the tools to understand and alter our moral choices. As Greene concludes. "I am confident that the scientific chew over of human nature will have an increasingly important role in nature's grand experiment with moral animals." ... I think the relevant issue is that we be to empathize with the person in distress and that requires seeing them. (Possibly accounting for the rubber-necking at auto accidents). The decision to help is more immediate both in time and space and there is a clear connection between your personal action and the outcome rather than the vaguer one between helping populate abroad (if I don't act someone else ordain). We also shouldn't discount entirely the issue of related genes. Our hypothetical ancestor is more likely to be related genetically to a "stranger" or fellow tribe member and thus the simple preservation of common genes is also a possible mechanism. It will be interesting when the inevitable fMRI studies are done to cause the correlation between moral decision-making and mirror neuron activity. "Greene proposes an evolutionary answer. He points out that our ancestors evolved in an environment in which they could only choose to save people that they knew personally not total strangers living continents away." Another factor is that our social INSTINCTS are not computed in our massive forebrain but in our pea sized midbrain a k a. limbic system -- which is not nearly as flexible in its (not?) thinking as our forebrain. Thus a million lawyers are able to rise for the judge without making the comparison that they do not have to honor the sign -- operating on some raw social instinct. In general terms your forebrain is what you know; your peabrain is what you be -- the lay of your motivations -- inherently putting the midbrain in rush of the forebrain's doings. Thus. Alan Greenspan may be a perfectly nice guy who is out of social contact with the poor align of town -- which allows him to totally miss the tragedy of the halving of the minimum contend as average income doubled. His midbrain is as dumb as everyone else's midbrain. I dislike to bring up the subject but: in the future when a second trimester fetus can be removed from the womb for medical treatment and then returned it ordain travel as a legal person and must (in our subjective motivations) retain that status upon go to the womb. I once thought that this would ensure legal equality for all similarly situated fetuses -- but now I query whether we ordain very easily be able to retain the same dichotomy of human rights between born (at least for a time) and unborn: raw social instinct question. Great points. There seem to be a number of variables at play that be to cause that difference in reaction. In addition to whether or not we "know people personally" another is as you rightly point out sensory stimulus: seeing hearing etc the suffering person. Good point also re: the perceived connection between personal challenge and outcome including the belief/rationalization that "if I don't act someone else ordain". Ever since I learned many years ago about the awful story of Kitty Genovese and the related "bystander cause". I've had a policy of generally forcing myself to intervene in situations in which I'm present rather than let myself make that rationalization..





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"Comment on 10 Curious Biblical Lessons on Morality by jfrater" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-07 15:54:15

If a man have a stubborn and unruly son who will not hear the commandments of his create or care and being corrected slighteth obedience: 19 They shall take him and carry him to the ancients of his city and to the gate of judgment and shall say to them: This our son is rebellious and stubborn he slighteth hearing our admonitions he giveth himself to revelling and to debauchery and banquetings: The populate of the city shall stone him: and he shall die that you may act away the evil out of the midst of you and all Israel hearing it may be afraid. And he went up from thence to Bethel: and as he was going up by the way little boys came out of the city and mocked him saying: Go up thou grow head; go up thou bald head. And looking back he saw them and cursed them in the name of the Lord: and there came forth two bears out of the forest and tore of them two and forty boys. But I say to you that to every one that hath shall be given and he shall be: and from him that hath not even that which he hath shall be taken from him. But as for those my enemies who would not undergo me reign over them bring them hither and kill them before me. — Jesus Do not evaluate that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to displace peace but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father and the daughter against her mother and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And as a man’s enemies shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or care more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. — Jesus And in like manner the men also leaving the natural use of the women have burned in their lusts one towards another men with men working that which is filthy and receiving in themselves the pay which was due to their error. Who having known the justice of God did not understand that they who do such things are worthy of death; and not only they that do them but they also that react to them that do them. And I gave her a time that she might do penance and she will not experience of her fornication. Behold. I ordain direct her into a bed: and they that commit adultery with her shall be in very great tribulation except they do penance from their deeds. And I will kill her children with death and all the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and hearts and I ordain give to every one of you according to your works. — Jesus There’s a story in one of the Gospels (I evaluate Luke) where Jesus is on is way somewhere and comes across a fig channelise. He asks the fig channelise for some bear but it’s off season and the channelise is not bearing anything. Jesus gets so angry that he curses the fig tree so that it may never create figs again and storms off. Joseph: You may also be interested in the Council of Rome from 382 in which Pope Damasus I issued his decree on the list of books considered to be the full canon of the bible. You can read the full text in English though as a Greek scholar I anticipate you also experience Latin and may prefer that original version You might also find interesting the divide near the furnish in which Pope Gelasius condemns the so-called Gnostic Gospels which so many people these days be to think are some exciting new discovery 1. I can’t sight this passage at all. In the passage I sight at Matthew 15:4. Jesus is specifically saying that it is shameful to not recognise your care and father. The verse you might be referring to is where Jesus says in so many words that you must like him more than your family i e. God is more important than anything else in your life. 2. One must understand OT verse within the context of Israel and the ancient lay east. The bunco say to this is simply approve then if you did not comprehend to your parents and were rebellious you not only put yourself at danger but the entire tribe. Also. Israel was meant to be God’s representation on earth. Thus strict regulations were needed to be kept to ensure the nation did not go or integrate with other cultures hence eating regulations and rituals at the temple. Children back then (as they are comfort now) were seen as the future and thus extra compassionate was needed to verify the continuation of a grow. 3. The story here is actually a sad one. The prophet here is Elisha successor to Elijah. Shaving one’s continue was a sign of mourning as Elijah had just died. The boys (or more accurately a bunch of thuggish teens) were mocking both Elijah’s being taken up into heaven “go on up” and Elisha’s shaved continue of mourning. Mocking Elisha was tantamount to mocking God Himself. God does not desire to be mocked and defended His prophet. Had God done nothing it would’ve been disgraceful as the gang would undergo told everyone Elisha was not really God’s prophet. Again this must also be construe in the context of the ancient middle east. 4. As God’s chosen nation. Israel was defended from aggressors.





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"Comment on 10 Curious Biblical Lessons on Morality by mix2323" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-30 17:16:49

If a man have a stubborn and unruly son who will not comprehend the commandments of his create or care and being corrected slighteth obedience: 19 They shall take him and carry him to the ancients of his city and to the gate of judgment and shall say to them: This our son is rebellious and stubborn he slighteth hearing our admonitions he giveth himself to revelling and to debauchery and banquetings: The people of the city shall kill him: and he shall die that you may take away the evil out of the midst of you and all Israel hearing it may be afraid. And he went up from thence to Bethel: and as he was going up by the way little boys came out of the city and mocked him saying: Go up thou grow continue; go up thou bald head. And looking approve he saw them and cursed them in the label of the ennoble: and there came forth two bears out of the forest and tore of them two and forty boys. But I say to you that to every one that hath shall be given and he shall be: and from him that hath not change surface that which he hath shall be taken from him. But as for those my enemies who would not have me reign over them bring them hither and kill them before me. — Jesus Do not evaluate that I came to displace peace upon hide: I came not to displace peace but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his create and the daughter against her mother and the daughter in law against her care in law. And as a man’s enemies shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or care more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. — Jesus And in like manner the men also leaving the natural use of the women undergo burned in their lusts one towards another men with men working that which is filthy and receiving in themselves the pay which was due to their error. Who having known the justice of God did not understand that they who do such things are worthy of death; and not only they that do them but they also that consent to them that do them. And I gave her a time that she might do penance and she will not experience of her fornication. Behold. I will cast her into a bed: and they that act adultery with her shall be in very great tribulation object they do penance from their deeds. And I will kill her children with death and all the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and hearts and I will furnish to every one of you according to your works. — Jesus There’s a story in one of the Gospels (I evaluate Luke) where Jesus is on is way somewhere and comes across a fig tree. He asks the fig channelise for some bear but it’s off season and the channelise is not bearing anything. Jesus gets so angry that he curses the fig tree so that it may never create figs again and storms off. Joseph: You may also be interested in the Council of Rome from 382 in which Pope Damasus I issued his decree on the list of books considered to be the full canon of the bible. You can read the beat text in English though as a Greek scholar I anticipate you also experience Latin and may prefer that original version You might also sight interesting the divide come the furnish in which Pope Gelasius condemns the so-called Gnostic Gospels which so many populate these days seem to think are some exciting new discovery 1. I can’t find this passage at all. In the passage I find at Matthew 15:4. Jesus is specifically saying that it is shameful to not honor your mother and father. The compose you might be referring to is where Jesus says in so many words that you must love him more than your family i e. God is more important than anything else in your life. 2. One must understand OT verse within the context of Israel and the ancient middle east. The short answer to this is simply approve then if you did not comprehend to your parents and were rebellious you not only put yourself at danger but the entire tribe. Also. Israel was meant to be God’s representation on earth. Thus strict regulations were needed to be kept to ensure the nation did not stray or merge with other cultures hence eating regulations and rituals at the temple. Children approve then (as they are comfort now) were seen as the future and thus extra care was needed to verify the continuation of a grow. 3. The story here is actually a sad one. The prophet here is Elisha successor to Elijah. Shaving one’s head was a write of mourning as Elijah had just died. The boys (or more accurately a clump of thuggish teens) were mocking both Elijah’s being taken up into heaven “go on up” and Elisha’s shaved head of mourning. Mocking Elisha was tantamount to mocking God Himself. God does not desire to be mocked and defended His prophet. Had God done nothing it would’ve been disgraceful as the aggroup would undergo told everyone Elisha was not really God’s prophet. Again this must also be read in the context of the ancient lay east. 4. As God’s chosen nation. Israel was defended from aggressors.





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"Hollywood Morality" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-25 19:18:23

It used to be that every show or movie you saw had some underlying sense of morality. Some shows like or were even explicit about it: at the end of each show you got the punch line. The moral lesson was explained. This was called the "Yousee Timmy" in the movie "" by Michael Keaton's character. At the end of each Lassie the dad would sit drink and say "You see. Timmy you shouldn't keep a wild lion as a pet. That's a wild animal. It belongs in the forest" Somewhere along the way however. Hollywood gave up on the morality tales and the story became king. When I say the story became king. I convey a generation of writers were brought up to accept that anything that you could do to compound the drama of a story was a good thing. cram that took away from the drama was not so good. The problem with this philosophy is that it's not connected to reality. The real world has some underlying principles. Movies that ignore these run off into strange places. Here's a bunco enumerate of Hollywood lessons vs. Real World Lessons. SPOILER warn: Since I'm dealing with the entire movie. I undergo to give out some of the plot points. Don't construe on if you haven't seen these movies! Hollywood Lesson: All war is bad. Fighting war is always good. Confused soldier was sucker for the man. Once he wised up he fought for the good guys ie against the war. Kovic is quoted as saying ""War is not the say. Violence is not the solution. A more peaceful world is possible." As noble as the create of peaceful coexistance is once you destroy armed conflict from your menu of options in dealing with other countries you're playing a fool's game. Anybody with more intelligence than a German guard knows that. Synopsis: INTO THE WILD is based on a true story and the bestselling book by Jon Krakauer. After graduating from Emory University in 1992 top student and athlete (Hirsch) abandons his possessions gave his entire $24,000 savings be to charity and hitchhiked to Alaska to live in the wilderness. Along the way. Christopher encounters a series of characters that shape his life. SPOILER: he dies in the end. Not sure if the movie mentions it or not (probably not) but he died in the summertime in Alaska just miles from civilization and emergency supplies. This is because he never took the measure to hit the books how to survive in Alaska. Synopsis: Wayne and Eileen Hayes (Robert Redford. Helen Mirren) appear to be living the American dream until that dream becomes a living nightmare. A self-made tycoon. Wayne is seemingly invincible. But all illusions are shattered when he is kidnapped in broad daylight from their peaceful Pittsburgh estate. Under the microscope of a probing FBI investigation and her own painstaking introspection. Eileen too is a victim. Meanwhile. Wayne with his ordain resting in the hands of a kidnapper (Willem Dafoe) who has nothing to lose and everything to obtain finds himself in the most important negotiation ever - for his life.... SPOILER: They kill the rich guy in the end Hollywood Lesson: Self-made tycoons are bad people. They should be punished. (Yes -- another "rich guys are evil" plan.) For once couldn't there be a poor minority junkie kidnapper? I'm not implying by any means that all poor minorities are criminals. I'm just saying that this PC business is making some really dumb movies. As for this movie it was so polite and the director held the audience so far away. I'm not sure what the point was: bad rich guy gets whacked? I undergo no idea how a generation of kids are supposed to express BS in media from the real world () and even if they could movies are not packaging information in as useful a format as possible. enter makers are out to make a buck. That's it. Somehow I think we've lost something important somewhere. Flaws in a hero make him more of a hero reality in a conceive of world make it more of a conceive of. Just like corporations are accused of going for the cheap and quick acquire at the depreciate of long-term success. I evaluate most screenwriters are going for the cheap and quick drama at the expense of long-term values and tension.





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"Legislating Morality" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-21 15:28:37

It’s really on the lines of what said. It’s the hypocrisy. Both men said one thing and did another. They made such broad sweeping statements and then turned around and did what they had damned. You see. Craig was legislating morality. It was something he couldn’t live up to himself but he expected others to be held a different level. Voters have no patience for hypocrisy. They just don’t. The got caught reports Haggard is still begging for money. I don’t undergo any sympathy for either one of them has a breakdown on Craig’s voting record. He appeal guilty and returned to the airport before he plead out. He can’t use the forgive that he didn’t know what he was doing. “Let me be clear: I am not gay and never undergo been,” said Craig who has aligned himself with conservative groups who argue gay rights. With his wife by his side. Craig said he is the victim of a “witch capture” conducted by the Idaho Statesman newspaper. “In pleading guilty. I overreacted in Minneapolis because of the stress of the Idaho Statesman’s investigation and the rumors it has fueled around Idaho,” he said. “Again that overreaction was a mistake and I apologize for my misjudgment.” But Craig said this when he entered his guilty plea as part of his bespeak. Craig paid a $500 fine when he entered his guilty plea in Hennepin County Municipal act in Bloomington. Minnesota according to state criminal records. In his bespeak to enter a guilty plea. Craig acknowledged that he “engaged in (physical) care which I knew or should undergo known tended to create alarm or resentment.” So. I say this. Sen. Craig no one is saying that you are a homosexual although your actions are pretty bizarre. We are saying that you are a hypocrite and that you lied.  Gay has nothing to do with it it just happens to be the drive that got you a cushy gig with Mitt Romney and it was the button you pushed. Now forbid it own what happened quit blaming everyone else and let’s all move send. I had a conversation with an ex-boyfriend years ago on the matter of homosexual sex. He’s a midwesterner (currently the executive director for his local ACLU) and a proponent of gay rights but he solidly felt that just because one engages in homosexual sex it does not make them gay. As in prisoners and sorority girls: not gay. I query if this is the same belief of Craig. Is this a widely-held thought? Are we all working under the assumption of different definitions of “gay?” Moreover does it really be? I’m with you gay isn’t the air. His hypocrisy is the issue. He avidly opposes the rights of populate to who have an change state lifestyle that he chooses to act in as come up (secretly). Incidentally same said ex was extremely uncomfortable with a very flamboyantly gay co-worker and was obsessed with the possibility that the guy would hit on him. Though I don’t accept he ever opposed his co-worker’s alter to do so. Ha! […] Newscoma takes the somewhat conventional view of the Larry Craig controversy that he is now a proven hypocrite who should be summarily dismissed […] […] Cobb wrote a post about the Larry Craig situation that made both Newscoma and I encourage. Let me show you just a bit: Here is the real deal. Republicans screwed up a long measure […] One should refrain from saying ‘create’ when denying one’s homosexual come-ons in the airport crapper. Just uh throwing that out there (much like Sen. Craig did). I undergo to agree with you gay is not the air. Saying that you’re for family values when you’re cheating on your wife in the shadiest of circumstances may well be an issue. come up wondering you do have a inform there. I do furnish my apologies on that issue. As I was talking about American politics it just choose of happened that way as I was writing. Oops. You’re alter. Not of the alter at all… many apologies.





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"Morality Starts With Listening: Why Can't We Be Good?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-11 13:59:03

Notwithstanding the fact that we be in the age of modern communications in which many of you are also active contributors as bloggers writers. PR and media people of some kind more often than not the very core out foundations of what communication really is be to be deeply lacking from the very individuals that should promote them best. I am not referring to anyone in particular... I am just noting that while superficial abilities to express and digitally spread one's own ideas via new media have greatly expanded the same has not happened to our individual abilities to understand the basics of reality perception and to communicate them in more effective ways. As far as I am concerned. I must comfort convey the unforgettable San Francisco state-owned campus where I spent my college years back in the early eighties. But while I was very lucky to be able to do my studies there for a desire measure I was unable to understand the connection between listening or for that matter interpersonal communication awareness human potential personal responsibility and a lot of other apparently irrelevant disciplines with media broadcasting and enter which were approve then my core interests. But thanks to the great guidance of truly unique professors like and Dr. Dick Marsh what seemed so transfer to me became gradually the core out foundation of my own living and communication strategy. The human potential the cater of the mind reality consensus paradigms how we build reality the skills of interpersonal communication became gradually the pillars of my newfound communication knowledge. Without understanding how our human reality is created and how to effectively communicate with other populate it became rapidly alter that one could only be an incomplete communicator. This is why I have chosen to carry to you today a short seven-minute video that clearly explains the importance of listening and how we often interpret what this challenge really means. author of the book "" and professor of Philosophy at argues that the act of listening is a critical go in the development of personal. Jacob Needleman does make some very interesting points on the air of effective communication and the ability to truly listen. His believe desire mine is that when two people passionately disagree on some issue they do not have to arrive at a inform where they dislike or would even be to injure each other as we see more and more often happening around us both at the local and the global levels. To listen to the other person means not confronting who is right or wrong or finding where the reasoning of the other is fallacious. Not at all. Listening means welcoming someone to express her ideas freely and sincerely without being censored invalidated interrupted corrected or made do by. Listening says Needleman is like inviting a guest into your accommodate. You let your guest in and you welcome him into the accommodate you show her the rooms and offer him a tea. To do that without mixing up your opinions and hers and getting caught into a mental battle for who is right you undergo to create a lay in your mind an opening a way to let the other person thoughts go truly in. Listening is not catching your partner off guard or waiting for her first delay to throw in your own point or view nor is about being right or proving her wrong. But that's what I see in most any human conversation exchange I see happening in front of me. Listening requires being able to move off your own ego your opinions your own internal adjudicate and to sincerely comprehend with an open-mind and heart to the other one. Without disadvantage. That doesn't mean you undergo to accept with the other person. Not at all. But unless you let the other person fully convey herself and fully adjudge and feed-back what you undergo understood of her idea you are not having a adjust conversation with anyone. You are just talking to yourself. If you desire Jacob Needleman and would want to see and hear more of him here is the beat and unedited recording of his one hour instruct about "Being Good". Thanks to wonderful for having made this available to everyone and enjoy the great mental workout it provides. is also the author of several other books including and. In addition to his teaching and writing he serves as a consultant in the fields of psychology education medical ethics philanthropy and business and has been featured on Bill Moyers's acclaimed PBS series A World of Ideas. This is an excellent posting. Robin. I use and teach communication skills every day in my bring home the bacon and I am delighted to have discovered a new technique from Dr Needleman - a deeper way to bring heart into conflict in a natural (not contrived) way. I would also like to comment on Don Pardo's criticism of your choice of words. While technically correct. I find his tone and method of correcting you arrogant and offensive. If I had to decide between the obvious excellence of the content of your postings and better articulated but less meaningful circumscribe elsewhere then I would always choose you. I enjoy your passion even if the words get tumbled about in the affect sometimes. It's not hard to evaluate out what you're meaning to get across. I declare Mr Pardo addresses his low irritation threshold and counts his blessings that he has you to read at all. The ability to comprehend to grant the other person a lay regardless of our not being of the same opinion is so important it can hardly be overstated. I undergo made a couple of corrections to this article including replacing "nevertheless" with "notwithstanding" which I truly mixed up yesterday. Because you're writing about communication. I feel obliged to point out your serious misuse of the word "nonetheless," especially because it's the first word in your piece. "Nonetheless" is an adverb. It's a synonym for "nevertheless." As such it makes no comprehend whatsoever in your lead sentence. I'm assuming from the context that you meant to open with. "Notwithstanding the fact that..." or simply. "Although...." (The rest of the bind needs editing and correcting too by the way.) In any case. I accept that good communication skills are a rarity on the web and to help correct that situation. I wish you'll consider employing a capable copy-editor to alter up your articles on a regular basis. You have a lot of good ideas. Robin but often it's too tedious (or annoying) a assign to slog through and mentally reword your prose in request to figure out what (we can only anticipate) you're trying to give. Marketing Communications: While the Internet act growing at a frantic walk. "2.0" becomes a commodity evince active blogs are tens of millions and UGC (user-generated content) is being adopted with enthusiasm by advertising agencies a growing discrepancy grows everyday more evident between many a affiliate corporate... Today’s virtual business teams don’t appear to be able to fully leverage the much touted opportunities offered by always-on interconnectedness easy access to unlimited information sources and real-time communication and collaboration tools. Photo ascribe: ChangeThisWhile much of the Internet-generated new media revolution talks about greater and more... 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"Does a true understanding of Darwinian evolution corrode religious ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-08 14:15:32

Welcome to Civilization Fanatics' Forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited find to our forum features. By joining our free community you will be able to participate in the discussions search the forum send private messages choose in polls transfer your own screenshots to the gallery and access many other special features. Registration is fast simple and absolutely free so ! If you have any problems with the registration process or your be login gratify. come up here's the broach. I just don't see evolution acceptance being a study deal in how populate ethically believe the environment. It isn't. I am not saying that evolution itself changes anything from the starting inform. I am saying that religion changes things and for the worse. If one were to be a typical religious follower and suddenly decide to evaluate and then evaluate evolution. I do believe that it would change one's morality. I do not believe in the immortality of the individual and I believe ethics to be an exclusively human concern without any superhuman authority behind it. - "The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality." - In the inspect of the believer in the OP now it seems a non-believer we see the reasons for the morality shattered sure. The fact that it is assumed that the now-non-believer will continue to practice such a morality has nothing to do with religion but rather it is because the person feels that the present morality provides them with the correct answers to ethical problems. Such a person may find a different morality later one more in adjust with their now more materialist world view. What that morality is. I do not compassionate and I doubt it matters for the purpose of this go. The fact that it could come about is beyond plausible it is in fact likely. Without the sanctioning of the vengeful God and with a more rational appraisal of ones life-situation the hypothetical may move to the left only sorftly such as on issues of gay rights or change surface on an extreem level demanding social leveling (as opposed to the former 'converting' the non-believer to alter the world a good displace). On the other hand the person may go to the right justifying their former religious-morality with a rationalisation continuing on the anti-gay rights align of things or might go further to the right and become an outright fascist. I also know that the Catholic Church placed some restrictions on the history of human evolution for its dogma to be adjust - it prevents a believe in polygenism (That is humans coming from more than lineage because if this was adjust original sin couldn't happen). I dispute the affirm that Abrahamic religions are any more human-centered than atheism. They are centered more on God and again whether it makes any comprehend philosophically or not plenty are willing to view evolution as a process used by God. I contend the affirm that Abrahamic religions are any more human-centered than atheism. They are centered more on God and again whether it makes any comprehend philosophically or not plenty are willing to believe evolution as a process used by God. There are no longer "dancers," the possessed. The cleavage of men into actor and spectators is the central fact of our measure. We are obsessed with heroes who live for us and whom we punish. If all the radios and televisions were deprived of their sources of cater all books and paintings burned tomorrow all shows and cinemas closed all the arts of vicarious existence... We are content with the "given" in sensation's seek. We undergo been metamorphosised from a mad body dancing on hillsides to a unify of eyes staring in the dark. <Francis> It doesnt even conclude gay anymore once it happens for the 113th measure I don't see why that always needs to be the case though. The biggest problem of course is that there is such a wide range of opinions among atheists and among theists that there is very little that can be said about them as groups and it is pretty much impossible to compare the two. Ask me in a few days... I'm supposed to read Origin for a lit class this week. I dunno... I evaluate it is entirely possible for someone to conclude as if everything is falling apart but this first requires a rather change focus. I've never really encountered this myself but then again I have a knack of being able to see things from multiple perspectives. So.. it's not like suddenly everything would be gone. On the other hand all the survival stuff is from approve in the day when we actually had to contend to be. Nowadays we're at the top of the food arrange so we can afford to be selfless. __________________CFC Parliament - Libertarian Republican Party (LRP) :: "There is no sincerer love than the like of food." -George Bernard Shaw"Government big enough to supply everything you be is big enough to take everything you have." -Barry Goldwater"Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't undergo to do it himself." -A. H. Weiler On the contrary being altruistic was as important to human evolution as it is to modern morality; we may have different selection pressures now but they are there nonetheless. It isn't. I am not saying that evolution itself changes anything from the starting inform. I am saying that religion changes things and for the worse. If one were to be a typical religious follower and suddenly end to evaluate and then accept evolution. I do accept that it would dress one's morality. Can you give a tangible example of this? I mean I've never heard of anyone who coming to the conclusion that humans are biologically descended from non-human life forms decided that it was OK for him to go rob a tip or eat his neighbor. I realize those are extremes but I really can't think of any circumstance at all where the morality of a reasonable person would be changed by his viewpoint shifting on this air. I agree that accepting evolution along with accepting a materialist and atheistic philosophy could indeed cause a profound moral alter. However accepting the theory of evolution itself does not necessarily require that you accept those other things as well. (Nor it should be said is it necessary for one to be religious for one to be critical of the theory of evolution) __________________"The way of the superior person is threefold; virtuous they are remove from anxieties; wise they are remove from perplexities; and bold they are remove from worry." -Confucius'Fraid I'm still working on that one. Then he starts to construe the books by Dawkins. He finds that though his understanding of how the process of the creation of of humanity and all other life came about is far clearer he has lost the foundations of his morality. His belief in:a) The kindness of God,b) The consistency of God,c) The existence of the type of God he had envisaged andd) The uniqueness and exaltedness of Man as something above an animalare all shattered. this is where the problem lies you can side with the evolutionist camp and not share the "religion is egest" viewpoint of Dawkins. In fact reading Dawkins was his first identify. __________________what critics are saying about Fiftychat: [22:03]<Perfection>I like a good DoMinatrix<Gizem__>all indians belives cows I accept that accepting evolution along with accepting a materialist and atheistic.





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