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"Lectionary Discussion Group" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-10-22 07:34:52

You have spoken harsh words against me says the LORD. Yet you say. "How have we spoken against you?" You have said. "It is vain to serve God. What do we profit by keeping his command or by going about as mourners before the LORD of hosts? Now we count the arrogant happy; evildoers not only prosper but when they put God to the test they escape." Then those who revered the LORD spoke with one another. The LORD took note and listened and a book of remembrance was written before him of those who revered the LORD and thought on his name. They shall be mine says the LORD of hosts my special possession on the day when I act and I will spare them as parents spare their children who serve them. Then once more you shall see the difference between the righteous and the wicked between one who serves God and one who does not serve him. See the day is coming burning like an oven when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up says the LORD of hosts so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who revere my name the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. Lo. I will send you the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of parents to their children and the hearts of children to their parents so that I will not come and strike the land with a curse. Now we command you beloved in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to keep away from believers who are living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us; we were not idle when we were with you and we did not eat anyone's bread without paying for it; but with toil and labor we worked night and day so that we might not burden any of you. This was not because we do not have that right but in order to give you an example to imitate. For even when we were with you we gave you this command: Anyone unwilling to work should not eat. For we hear that some of you are living in idleness mere busybodies not doing any work. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living. Brothers and sisters do not be weary in doing what is right. When some were speaking about the temple how it was adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God. Jesus said. "As for these things that you see the days will come when not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down." They asked him. "Teacher when will this be and what will be the sign that this is about to take place?" And he said. "Beware that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name and say. `I am he!' and. `The time is near!' Do not go after them. "When you hear of wars and insurrections do not be terrified; for these things must take place first but the end will not follow immediately." Then he said to them. "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom; there will be great earthquakes and in various places famines and plagues; and there will be dreadful portents and great signs from heaven. "But before all this occurs they will arrest you and persecute you; they will hand you over to synagogues and prisons and you will be brought before kings and governors because of my name. This will give you an opportunity to testify. So make up your minds not to prepare your defense in advance; for I will give you words and a wisdom that none of your opponents will be able to withstand or contradict. You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers by relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. You will be hated by all because of my name. But not a hair of your head will perish. By your endurance you will gain your souls." The second method of reading the Bible is the moral method. Morality is at the center of the Bible. But the moral method is somehow easier done than said because it is more of a morality of how to be a human rather than a set of rules to follow. It is a morality that seeks to tell us how to be a good and loving person. A good and loving person will inevitably act according to the highest standards of morality out of the simply love in his heart rather than by following rules. That said there is an important distinction here. The Bible calls us to be more than good people. The study of how to be fully human is called anthropology. If that is all you are interested in there are terrific books by Aristotle. Plato. Kant and various Buddhists that you could read. But the Bible calls us to derive our morals from christology. In short to be not only good humans but actually God-like humans we read the Bible and attempt to understand Christ as our model. complex. In the Middle Ages the custom changed and most rabbis had professions except for a few who stayed in the Galilean city of Kinneseret (another name for the Sea of Galilee is “the Sea of Kinneseret”) and compiled the Talmud. In the Middle Ages the financial rapaciousness and decadence of the Papacy did much to cause the Reformation. The situation in Thessalonica was not exactly as we might imagine. Many people were convinced that the End Times were coming shortly or were even here already and were refusing to work. This is therefore in a sense an admonition that attempting to predict the End Times is foolish and even if they are here we should not stop being the people we were all our lives. In the late Middle Ages as the Papacy became decadent and Europe was torn by warfare between France the Holy Roman Empire (Germany). Spain the Moors the Turks and the English while simultaneously the church was torn by the controversy between the Spiritual and Regular Franciscans and the Conciliar Movement threatened to make the Papacy a constitutional monarchy many thought the End Times were near causing heresies in Italy and southern France that were brutally put down. The End Times were not near. The authors of this page have made reasonable attempts to give credit by citation where it is due. However if you feel your work has been unfairly used please leave a comment and the authors of this page will take down or modify the offending post if necessary. Not all of the work that we use can be adequately cited because it is general background. For general background we have attempted to keep a running list of useful books and materials in the left-hand column. We highly recommend consulting any of these materials for further reading.





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"Betrayal:The Unstable Foundation For The Unstable World" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-04-20 03:16:06

"We are betrayed in the very same close relationships where primal believe is possible. We can be truly betrayed only where we truly trust–by brothers lovers wives husbands not by enemies not by strangers. The greater the like and loyalty the involvement and commitment the greater the betrayal. Trust has in it the disgorge of betrayal; the serpent was in the garden from the beginning just as Eve was pre-formed in the structure around Adam’s heart. believe and the possibility of betrayal go into the world at the same moment. Wherever there’s believe in a union the risk of betrayal becomes a real possibility. And betrayal as a continual possibility to be lived with belongs to believe just as doubt belongs to living faith."James Hillman understood the validity of established believe when investigating the history of betrayal. Established believe is one of three important aspects used in the inquiry of the unstable foundation of Western Civilization. The Act of Betrayal"One should rather die than be betrayed. There is no deceit in death. It delivers precisely what it has promised. Betrayal though.. betrayal is the willful kill of hope."This ingeminate by the American playwright. Steven Dietz describes the act of betrayal as being the “willful slaughter of hope.” There is an established trust playing a key role in betrayal’s inquiry yet there is also the act of betrayal itself acting as a vital source of information when observing the unstable foundation of Western Culture. This act could be anything from murder to adultery or siding with an opposing force to theft. It is the “willful kill of wish.” Evident throughout the beginnings of Western Civilization the act of betrayal is the central building block to the unstable foundation. The Aftermath EffectsAfter the basic foundation was laid the effects of the foundation created the body to this unstable society. With every act of betrayal there is an cause that leaves its attach on the grow. This simple truth rings true change surface in a personal realm of betrayal such as adultery do by and simple deception. Historical ExamplesThe three key aspects outlined previously are vital to the investigation of historical examples of betrayal in Western Civilization. This outline will command the research of the established trust the act of betrayal and the aftermath effects of each historical example to show a definitive pattern in the unstable foundation of this grow. AgamemnonFrom the beginning of his life. Agamemnon’s personal foundation was rooted in betrayal. His family history was teeming with instances of kill rape and treachery. During the Trojan War. Agamemnon was betrayed and joined his family’s foundation. The Established TrustAgamemnon’s betrayal and eventual murder was brought on by his own wife. Clytemnestra. Agamemnon like most husbands established a layer of believe in his wife when he married her. His blackball came in the create of the one he trusted most. The Act of BetrayalClytemnestra had been secretly having an affair with Agamemnon’s cousin while he was away at war. Upon Agamemnon’s return from Troy she and her lover. Aegisthus invited him to a banquet and killed him mercilessly. The act of betrayal was brought to the table in two instances in this example. The first is the affair of Clytemnestra and Aegisthus. Clytemnestra betrayed her husband’s trust and “willfully slaughtered” his wish and dignity. The second is Agamemnon’s kill. Deceived into a banquet invitation. Agamemnon unknowingly walked into his death. The Aftermath EffectAegisthus ruled over Mycenae for seven years before the effects of Agamemnon’s betrayal took challenge. In the eighth year of Aegisthus’ govern. Agamemnon’s son. Orestes rose up and avenged his father’s kill by killing Aegisthus. The effects of Agamemnon’s betrayal came approve and ultimately led to the destruction of his betrayer. Tiberius GracchusTiberius Gracchus was a politician in Rome during the second century. Often remembered as causing political turmoil. Tiberius constantly tried to integrate laws of agrarian reform that opposed the stealing of the wealthy Roman citizens. The Established TrustElected as Tribune of the populate. Tiberius began working to put his laws into action. However the Senate strongly disagreed with the laws and convinced Octavius another tribune and friend of Tiberius to use his power to contradict Tiberius’ proposed laws. This greatly distressed Tiberius because he was deceived by a member of his trusted circle of friends and fellow tribunes. The Act of BetrayalIt looks as though the rich ganged up against him out of arouse and hatred rather than for any of the plausible reasons they gave. This is strongly suggested by the assail illegal and disrespectful treatment of his corpse. They refused his brother permission to hive away the body and bury it at night and instead threw it along with all the other corpses into the river. This choose from Plutarch’s Roman Lives describes the anger and hatred of the wealthy factions’ opposition to Tiberius’ reforms. If Tiberius had not been deceived by Octavius the tribune and the senate would have succumbed to his reforms and would have supplied him with protection from such harsh opposition. The Aftermath EffectsTiberius’ brother. Gaius followed in his brother’s footsteps to try to ameliorate Rome. Gaius’ involvement in politics was much more of an obligation rather than a wish due to the brutal death of his brother. The reforming views of Tiberius carried on to Gaius and ultimately led to his death. The effects of this betrayal had a strong force on the poor as they were left to contend for themselves against the thieving wealthy population of Rome. Julius CaesarJulius Caesar was a and leader as come up as being one of the most influential men in world history. He played a pivotal role in the metamorphosis of the into the. Caesar was the cause of both of the Roman Civil Wars; the first he brought on by bringing his army into Rome and the back up was induced by his assassination. The Established TrustCaesar had a bond of believe with many members of the Roman Senate but the one with whom he was extremely close was Brutus. Brutus was to be Caesar’s heir and was his pupil. The trust established between these two was in obvious existence for they had a near father/son relationship. Caesar also trusted many others in the Senate that would go to be his enemies. The Act of BetrayalBrutus and several other members of Senate devised a plan to kill Caesar. They enacted their intend and stabbed Caesar to death. The pain of Brutus’s act of betrayal was accentuated by his closeness to Caesar. The assassination occurred because the Senate feared Caesar’s cater and thought that if he remained alive he would turn the Roman Republic into an Empire. By killing Caesar they put the Roman populous into turmoil and ultimately caused that which they wished to prevent: the Roman Empire. The Aftermath EffectsCaesar’s assassination sparked a panic in Rome. Shortly after Caesar’s death came the back up civil war and the establishment of the Roman Empire under Caesar Augustus. The assassination not only caused all of these things but also robbed the world of one of the most battle savvy influential powerful men of all time. Jesus ChristThe betrayal of Jesus Christ is the hit most important event to cause the cover of Western Civilization. This single event forever changed the face of history. Jesus Christ the incarnation of the back up person of the Triune God was born to a virgin in the town of Bethlehem in Judea during the reign of Caesar Augustus. His surrogate father. Joseph taught him the family trade of carpentry. He preached in the Temple at Jerusalem when he was only twelve-years-old and amazed the leaders at the time with His wisdom that exceeded His years. He was baptized (most believe) at the age of thirty by his cousin John the Baptist thus marking the beginning of His earthly ministry. He took on twelve men to be His change state disciples and for approximately three years taught them about His Father’s Kingdom the Kingdom of God. During His time here on hide. He lived a perfect and blameless life thereby being the first and only person in the history of the world to do so. This was to complete what was prophesied about Him by various prophets hundreds of years before His birth. The Established TrustThe trust was never established. Instead the betrayal was known from the beginning. This is a unique case in history because Jesus who was betrayed knew of his betrayal before it ever happened. Even before sin entered the world it was in the comprehend foreknowledge of God that Jesus would be betrayed. Jesus came to earth fully knowing that He would be betrayed and killed. This was a demonstration of His holy desire to fulfill the ordain of His Father as well as being a show of His immeasurable love for His people. The established believe that occurred between Jesus Christ and His disciples existed through the friendship and discipleship that had been built over the few years of ministry together. Now considering that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. He knew that His followers would betray contradict and desert Him. This did not forbid Him from teaching them about the Kingdom of God or allowing them to experience fellowship with the living God. The religious leaders of the day the Pharisees and the Sadducees met with Jesus everyday in the Temple with the motive of arresting Him. They were kept back by His power because the measure had not come for Him to be betrayed. They put on a false lie in order to obtain Jesus’ trust. They attempted to cozen Jesus with a series of questions in request to either make Him look foolish in front of His disciples or make Him say something blasphemous and arrest Him. Jesus knew what they were attempting and always cleverly answered their questions without being blasphemous thereby further proving His deity to His disciples. The Act of BetrayalJesus Christ was betrayed first of all by Judas Iscariot one of His disciples while Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane with His other disciples. Judas had been bribed by the religious leaders with thirty pieces of silver to bring about them to Jesus. Judas led them to Jesus in the tend and kissed Him to show the religious leaders who He was. Jesus then asked the religious leaders why they had not arrested Him when they were together in the temple. He questioned them as to why they had go under the adjoin of darkness to arrest Him like a criminal. Peter one of His disciples then proceeded to cut off the ear of the High Priest’s servant. Jesus then interceded and miraculously restored the servant’s ear. Jesus was then led away to be tried before a fixed act. Peter and John two of His disciples followed the mob at a distance to where He was to be tried. Three times Peter denied the fact that he even knew Jesus which was a direct fulfillment of prophecy. Jesus was tried before Pilot the Roman Governor and Herod the mock Jewish King (who wasn’t even Jewish). He was then brought before the people to decide what was to be done with Him. When the populate were presented with the choice of freeing a convicted thief. Barabbas or having Jesus Christ who had never sinned released to them they chose Barabbas. His disciples were nowhere to be open at this point in measure. Pilot then sentenced Him to death by way of crucifixion a form of execution that was meant to cause the victim to slowly suffocate to death. They led Him to a forge called Golgotha where they proceeded to nail Him to a wooden cross by His hands and feet. Around the ninth hour. Jesus cried out in a loud voice. “My God. My God why have You forsaken Me?” Shortly after. Jesus Christ cried aloud and breathed His measure breath. The curtain that separated the most holy displace from the rest of the Temple in Jerusalem was torn in two from top to bottom. All this was a direct fulfillment of prophecy. Three days later. Christ rose from the dead. He revealed Himself to His closest followers in the Upper dwell where they enjoyed their last supper. He ate a meal with them on the border of the sea of Galilee. He was seen by almost one hundred and twenty witnesses before He ascended into heaven to sit at the alter hand of His Father. Peter was forgiven by Jesus and became a leader in the early perform. Judas Iscariot was ashamed that he had betrayed innocent daub and therefore hanged himself. The religious leaders of the day told the guards who were posted at the tomb to say that Jesus’ disciples came and stole His body in the night. This is the story that has been circulating among the Jews to this day. It is easy to point fingers at certain populate and try to appoint blame. In reality we are all to blame which is why Christ had to come and die. It is easy to accuse the religious leaders of the day and get the disciples innocent; the disciples however knew what they were doing which is the damning difference. They saw His signs and wonders and still betrayed denied and deserted Him in His measure of trial. What are we to make of modern day Christians for every sin is a betrayal Christ all over again. There are no members in this story who are without accuse with the exception of Christ Himself. The Aftermath EffectsThis story of betrayal is the hit most important event that has shaped Western culture. This story of betrayal is the foundation of the Christian faith. There have been many wars persecutions and lands discovered in the name of Christianity. Although Christianity has been in existence since the Fall of Adam in the tend of Eden it has proceeded to take the world by storm. Hebrews 13:20 establishes that the work of Christ was an eternal covenant in the plan of the triune God. ConclusionSocieties undergo been founded on a standard of morality and trust. Therefore when those standards are broken society crumbles. One can see through these documentations how betrayal has affected Western Civilization. Even in modern day we see examples of betrayal through adultery fraud break and politics. As a prove many Western cultures are suffering in the aftermath of these examples. One specific instance is England and how it is being overtaken by Islam due to the betrayal of the original Christian principles on which it was founded. Furthermore in the United States one can see the affects that betrayal has had in the public school system in which Christianity has been completely removed from schools. Therefore one is able to see the humanistic affects on our youth. It is quite disconcerting to see the potential downfall of Western culture. It can be clearly seen how alter politics schools and change surface citizens have become through betrayal of trust principles and morals. Post-modern thinking has exposed Western Civilization’s locate flaws: our weak foundation and self-centeredness. This problem must be addressed by God-fearing Christians or the downfall of Western grow is inevitable.





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"Betrayal:The Unstable Foundation For The Unstable World" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-04-20 03:15:50

"We are betrayed in the very same close relationships where primal believe is possible. We can be truly betrayed only where we truly trust–by brothers lovers wives husbands not by enemies not by strangers. The greater the love and loyalty the involvement and commitment the greater the betrayal. Trust has in it the seed of betrayal; the serpent was in the tend from the beginning just as Eve was pre-formed in the structure around Adam’s heart. believe and the possibility of betrayal come into the world at the same moment. Wherever there’s trust in a union the assay of betrayal becomes a real possibility. And betrayal as a continual possibility to be lived with belongs to trust just as doubt belongs to living faith."James Hillman understood the validity of established believe when investigating the history of betrayal. Established trust is one of three important aspects used in the inquiry of the unstable foundation of Western Civilization. The Act of Betrayal"One should rather die than be betrayed. There is no deceit in death. It delivers precisely what it has promised. Betrayal though.. betrayal is the willful kill of hope."This quote by the American playwright. Steven Dietz describes the act of betrayal as being the “willful kill of hope.” There is an established trust playing a key role in betrayal’s inquiry yet there is also the act of betrayal itself acting as a vital source of information when observing the unstable foundation of Western Culture. This act could be anything from murder to adultery or siding with an opposing compel to theft. It is the “willful kill of hope.” Evident throughout the beginnings of Western Civilization the act of betrayal is the central building block to the unstable foundation. The Aftermath EffectsAfter the basic foundation was laid the effects of the foundation created the body to this unstable society. With every act of betrayal there is an cause that leaves its mark on the grow. This simple truth rings adjust even in a personal realm of betrayal such as adultery abuse and simple deception. Historical ExamplesThe three key aspects outlined previously are vital to the investigation of historical examples of betrayal in Western Civilization. This depict ordain command the research of the established trust the act of betrayal and the aftermath effects of each historical example to show a definitive copy in the unstable foundation of this culture. AgamemnonFrom the beginning of his life. Agamemnon’s personal foundation was rooted in betrayal. His family history was teeming with instances of murder assail and treachery. During the Trojan War. Agamemnon was betrayed and joined his family’s foundation. The Established TrustAgamemnon’s betrayal and eventual murder was brought on by his own wife. Clytemnestra. Agamemnon like most husbands established a layer of trust in his wife when he married her. His blackball came in the form of the one he trusted most. The Act of BetrayalClytemnestra had been secretly having an affair with Agamemnon’s cousin while he was away at war. Upon Agamemnon’s go from Troy she and her lover. Aegisthus invited him to a banquet and killed him mercilessly. The act of betrayal was brought to the table in two instances in this example. The first is the affair of Clytemnestra and Aegisthus. Clytemnestra betrayed her husband’s believe and “willfully slaughtered” his hope and dignity. The back up is Agamemnon’s murder. Deceived into a host invitation. Agamemnon unknowingly walked into his death. The Aftermath EffectAegisthus ruled over Mycenae for seven years before the effects of Agamemnon’s betrayal took challenge. In the eighth year of Aegisthus’ reign. Agamemnon’s son. Orestes rose up and avenged his father’s murder by killing Aegisthus. The effects of Agamemnon’s betrayal came back and ultimately led to the destruction of his betrayer. Tiberius GracchusTiberius Gracchus was a politician in Rome during the back up century. Often remembered as causing political turmoil. Tiberius constantly tried to combine laws of agrarian reform that opposed the stealing of the wealthy Roman citizens. The Established TrustElected as Tribune of the populate. Tiberius began working to put his laws into challenge. However the Senate strongly disagreed with the laws and convinced Octavius another tribune and friend of Tiberius to use his cater to veto Tiberius’ proposed laws. This greatly distressed Tiberius because he was deceived by a member of his trusted go of friends and fellow tribunes. The Act of BetrayalIt looks as though the rich ganged up against him out of arouse and hatred rather than for any of the plausible reasons they gave. This is strongly suggested by the savage illegal and disrespectful treatment of his corpse. They refused his brother permission to collect the be and conceal it at night and instead threw it along with all the other corpses into the river. This choose from Plutarch’s Roman Lives describes the anger and hatred of the wealthy factions’ opposition to Tiberius’ reforms. If Tiberius had not been deceived by Octavius the tribune and the senate would have succumbed to his reforms and would undergo supplied him with protection from such harsh opposition. The Aftermath EffectsTiberius’ brother. Gaius followed in his brother’s footsteps to try to ameliorate Rome. Gaius’ involvement in politics was much more of an obligation rather than a desire due to the brutal death of his brother. The reforming views of Tiberius carried on to Gaius and ultimately led to his death. The effects of this betrayal had a strong impact on the poor as they were left to fend for themselves against the thieving wealthy population of Rome. Julius CaesarJulius Caesar was a and leader as well as being one of the most influential men in world history. He played a pivotal role in the metamorphosis of the into the. Caesar was the cause of both of the Roman Civil Wars; the first he brought on by bringing his army into Rome and the back up was induced by his assassination. The Established TrustCaesar had a bond of trust with many members of the Roman Senate but the one with whom he was extremely close was Brutus. Brutus was to be Caesar’s heir and was his pupil. The believe established between these two was in obvious existence for they had a near father/son relationship. Caesar also trusted many others in the Senate that would come to be his enemies. The Act of BetrayalBrutus and several other members of Senate devised a plan to assassinate Caesar. They enacted their plan and stabbed Caesar to death. The hurt of Brutus’s act of betrayal was accentuated by his closeness to Caesar. The assassination occurred because the Senate feared Caesar’s power and thought that if he remained alive he would turn the Roman Republic into an Empire. By killing Caesar they put the Roman populous into turmoil and ultimately caused that which they wished to prevent: the Roman Empire. The Aftermath EffectsCaesar’s assassination sparked a panic in Rome. Shortly after Caesar’s death came the second civil war and the establishment of the Roman Empire under Caesar Augustus. The assassination not only caused all of these things but also robbed the world of one of the most battle understand influential powerful men of all time. Jesus ChristThe betrayal of Jesus Christ is the single most important event to shape the cover of Western Civilization. This single event forever changed the face of history. Jesus Christ the incarnation of the back up person of the Triune God was born to a virgin in the town of Bethlehem in Judea during the reign of Caesar Augustus. His surrogate create. Joseph taught him the family change of carpentry. He preached in the Temple at Jerusalem when he was only twelve-years-old and amazed the leaders at the time with His wisdom that exceeded His years. He was baptized (most accept) at the age of thirty by his cousin John the Baptist thus marking the beginning of His earthly ministry. He took on twelve men to be His change state disciples and for approximately three years taught them about His create’s Kingdom the Kingdom of God. During His measure here on earth. He lived a perfect and blameless life thereby being the first and only person in the history of the world to do so. This was to complete what was prophesied about Him by various prophets hundreds of years before His bring forth. The Established TrustThe believe was never established. Instead the betrayal was known from the beginning. This is a unique case in history because Jesus who was betrayed knew of his betrayal before it ever happened. Even before sin entered the world it was in the comprehend foreknowledge of God that Jesus would be betrayed. Jesus came to earth fully knowing that He would be betrayed and killed. This was a demonstration of His holy desire to fulfill the will of His Father as come up as being a display of His immeasurable love for His people. The established trust that occurred between Jesus Christ and His disciples existed through the friendship and discipleship that had been built over the few years of ministry together. Now considering that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. He knew that His followers would betray deny and desert Him. This did not stop Him from teaching them about the Kingdom of God or allowing them to undergo fellowship with the living God. The religious leaders of the day the Pharisees and the Sadducees met with Jesus everyday in the Temple with the motive of arresting Him. They were kept back by His power because the time had not go for Him to be betrayed. They put on a false lie in order to gain Jesus’ believe. They attempted to trick Jesus with a series of questions in request to either make Him be foolish in front of His disciples or make Him say something blasphemous and clutch Him. Jesus knew what they were attempting and always cleverly answered their questions without being blasphemous thereby further proving His deity to His disciples. The Act of BetrayalJesus Christ was betrayed first of all by Judas Iscariot one of His disciples while Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane with His other disciples. Judas had been bribed by the religious leaders with thirty pieces of silver to lead them to Jesus. Judas led them to Jesus in the Garden and kissed Him to show the religious leaders who He was. Jesus then asked the religious leaders why they had not arrested Him when they were together in the temple. He questioned them as to why they had come under the cover of darkness to arrest Him desire a criminal. Peter one of His disciples then proceeded to cut off the ear of the High Priest’s servant. Jesus then interceded and miraculously restored the servant’s ear. Jesus was then led away to be tried before a fixed act. Peter and John two of His disciples followed the mob at a hold to where He was to be tried. Three times Peter denied the fact that he change surface knew Jesus which was a direct fulfillment of prophecy. Jesus was tried before Pilot the Roman Governor and Herod the mock Jewish King (who wasn’t even Jewish). He was then brought before the people to end what was to be done with Him. When the people were presented with the choice of freeing a convicted thief. Barabbas or having Jesus Christ who had never sinned released to them they chose Barabbas. His disciples were nowhere to be open at this inform in time. control then sentenced Him to death by way of crucifixion a form of execution that was meant to cause the victim to slowly kill to death. They led Him to a hill called Golgotha where they proceeded to attach Him to a wooden go across by His hands and feet. Around the ninth hour. Jesus cried out in a loud express. “My God. My God why undergo You forsaken Me?” Shortly after. Jesus Christ cried aloud and breathed His last breath. The curtain that separated the most holy place from the be of the Temple in Jerusalem was torn in two from top to furnish. All this was a direct fulfillment of prophecy. Three days later. Christ rose from the dead. He revealed Himself to His closest followers in the Upper Room where they enjoyed their last supper. He ate a meal with them on the shore of the sea of Galilee. He was seen by almost one hundred and twenty witnesses before He ascended into heaven to sit at the alter transfer of His Father. Peter was forgiven by Jesus and became a leader in the early Church. Judas Iscariot was ashamed that he had betrayed innocent blood and therefore hanged himself. The religious leaders of the day told the guards who were posted at the tomb to say that Jesus’ disciples came and stole His body in the night. This is the story that has been circulating among the Jews to this day. It is easy to point fingers at certain populate and try to appoint blame. In reality we are all to blame which is why Christ had to come and die. It is easy to blame the religious leaders of the day and get the disciples innocent; the disciples however knew what they were doing which is the damning difference. They saw His signs and wonders and comfort betrayed denied and deserted Him in His measure of trial. What are we to make of modern day Christians for every sin is a betrayal Christ all over again. There are no members in this story who are without blame with the exception of Christ Himself. The Aftermath EffectsThis story of betrayal is the single most important event that has shaped Western culture. This story of betrayal is the foundation of the Christian faith. There have been many wars persecutions and lands discovered in the label of Christianity. Although Christianity has been in existence since the go of Adam in the tend of Eden it has proceeded to act the world by storm. Hebrews 13:20 establishes that the bring home the bacon of Christ was an eternal covenant in the plan of the triune God. ConclusionSocieties have been founded on a standard of morality and trust. Therefore when those standards are broken society crumbles. One can see through these documentations how betrayal has affected Western Civilization. change surface in modern day we see examples of betrayal through adultery fraud divorce and politics. As a result many Western cultures are suffering in the aftermath of these examples. One specific dilate is England and how it is being overtaken by Islam due to the betrayal of the original Christian principles on which it was founded. Furthermore in the United States one can see the affects that betrayal has had in the public school system in which Christianity has been completely removed from schools. Therefore one is able to see the humanistic affects on our youth. It is quite disconcerting to see the potential downfall of Western culture. It can be clearly seen how corrupt politics schools and change surface citizens have become through betrayal of trust principles and morals. Post-modern thinking has exposed Western Civilization’s base flaws: our weak foundation and self-centeredness. This problem must be addressed by God-fearing Christians or the downfall of Western culture is inevitable.





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"The Unsaved Have More Discernment Over Mitt Romney Than The ..." posted by ~Ray
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See this (rather profane but you can act it … it isn’t like you haven’t heard it before and if you haven’t then it means that you are a fake Christian that has never done any evangelism) bind: . First it is interesting to note that despite his getting virtually no credit for it lots of populate have construe what Pastor account Keller had to say about Romney. Why? Because this is yet another bind that makes a compose to which absolutely no one was speaking of publicly before then. In any event this ordain be the ONE Mitt Romney affix that has NOTHING to do with his Mormonism. It basically restates what I undergo been saying from the beginning on this weblog: “Christian values” are a demonic lie from the pit of hell and the religious right leads Christians to reject the worship of Jesus Christ for the adore of express capitalism and military/police force. Kind of reminds you of emperor worship during the Roman Empire. Those of you that understand the beast (anti - Christ) of Revelation to be the Roman Empire (either during that measure from a preterism point of view or present/future as the Roman Catholic Church) act it however you want. This is yet another thing that proves that the religious alter is an anti - Christ apostate movement. (IndependentConservative as usual does a better job of demonstrating this point by reporting the latest religious right universalist get - together see ) First the fellow endorses a Palestinian express. Do the dispensational Christians that believe that it is a sin to divide the arrive that God gave to the Jews with the Arabs compassionate? Nope! Pat Robertson and Bob Jones (among many others) have endorsed the fellow. Which is no affect since they backed George H. W. furnish and George W. furnish despite their having the same basic stance towards Israel as Jimmy Carter and account Clinton. Quoting the bind from a fellow that obviously hates Christianity: “The challenges we face are beyond the scope of just a politician,” he says. “It’s going to take somebody who’s been able to be in the private sector who learns how the economy actually works who knows how to get the job done. It’s going to take someone desire that to get America on bring in again.” He @#$% his global-economy credentials (”I’ve done business in some twenty different countries”). And most hilariously he name-drops desire a Hollywood press agent giving the impression that he spends all his spare time smoking cigars at the Yale unify with Fortune 500 CEOs. Romney explains how he settled upon his health-care strategy. “What happened is pretty interesting,” he says laughing. “The founder of Staples came to my office after I was elected governor and he said. ‘Mitt if you really be to help people you’ll find a way to get everybody health insurance.’ “ Only in America do audiences not burst out laughing when a guy worth $250 million gets up onstage and says he and his CEO buddies spend their forbear measure racking their brains to find ways to back up people. “He strongly supports the private sector to solve our problems,” gushes Terry Dussault of Merrimack. “That’s very important to me.”The perception of Romney as a successful businessman who has made a vast fortune is seductive enough that it works for most audiences on the Republican campaign dawdle change surface if they don’t really understand how exactly he made all that money. Romney’s “business” wasn’t turning fight into product it was turning money into money — and more than a few of his investments were of the scorched-earth variety buying up companies and cashing out within three to five years often after closing factories or laying off workers to beef up the bottom line. But the displease’s-advocate approach paid off — most notably when Bain’s $650,000 investment in a hit Staples hold on turned into an $18 billion chain. ( Please note that it was Staples that told Romney to go universal healthcare … so that big businesses could pass their employee acquire matches and copays onto the taxpayer … it amounted to a gigantic corporate welfare program Despite this success however. Romney moved Bain away from boom-bust venture-capital investments and into the darker world of leveraged buyouts where the tighten borrowed money to make deals. A typical example of Bain’s approach was its undergo with another office-supply company called Ampad which it acquired in 1992. In 1993 the affiliate had $11 million in debt; by 1999 that number had grown to nearly $400 million and the firm eventually declared bankruptcy. But despite Ampad’s failure. Bain made a fortune raking in more than $100 million while driving the company into the fasten and destroying hundreds of jobs in places desire New York (where 185 people were thrown out of work in a lay closing near cow) and Indiana (where the firm fired 200 workers from a paper factory). Even more telling was Romney’s arouse in a medical-testing tighten called Damon Corp. which Bain bought in 1989. The affiliate was eventually fined a preserve $119 million for defrauding the federal government out of $25 million but Bain comfort tripled its investment on the Damon deal. And Romney who was sitting on the Damon board at the time of the fraud (his claim that he was the one who called for an internal investigation has never been substantiated) made a personal acquire of $473,000 on the deal. In a delicious detail that says a lot about the nature of Romney’s morality the investor had no problem making piles of change off companies that executed mass layoffs or defrauded the government but he balked when asked to invest in a Bain deal to acquire a video distribution affiliate called Artisan Entertainment. “I didn’t want to profit from a studio that made R-rated movies,” he huffed. ( Typical religious alter morality as represented by the likes of BILLIONAIRE Pat Robertson who rails against Hollywood. Keep in object populate. Mitt Romney has a huge lead in Iowa where the Republican primary is dominated by the religious alter. He is not doing as well in the more libertarian New Hampshire but he can also be expected to win South Carolina. How quickly these religious right folks drop “ For if there go unto your assembly a man with a gold go in goodly apparel and there come in also a poor man in vile change state; And ye undergo respect to him that weareth the gay clothing and say unto him. Sit thou here in a good displace; and say to the poor. rest thou there or sit here under my footstool Are ye not then partial in yourselves and are change state judges of evil thoughts? listen my beloved brethren. Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that like him? But ye undergo despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not they express that worthy label by the which ye are called? If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture. Thou shalt like thy dwell as thyself ye do come up: But if ye have consider to persons ye act sin and are convinced of the law as transgressors As you can see flocking to Romney because he is rich and promises to run our government for the rich is precisely the OPPOSITE AGENDA from what Christians should be supporting. But so many Christians have bought into the false gods of state worship and capitalism that these people do not even have the mind of God anymore. populate actually associate amassing wealth by being a moneychanger (which lest we drop is precisely what a go capitalist is) with Christian holiness! Now the root of this is racism by the way. gratify recognize that the religious alter did not really rise up to argue the New Deal. Quite the contrary the southern and midwestern Christians loved the do work subsidies the education and homesteading programs etc. Conservative Democrats in those days desire Strom Thurmond. George Wallace. Orval Faubus. Robert Byrd etc used to cook away the pork and convinced their citizens that “as good Christian populate of the arrive they deserved it.” It was not until the Great Society programs began giving these same government benefits - and voting rights with it - to blacks that this “worship free market capitalism” ideology was born and the religious alter ran with it. In a very short measure conservatives went from saying (truthfully) that the protect Street wealthy elites had wicked values that were against the perform and the common man to worshiping the rich uncritically and handing them the keys to the country. It has desire been known to the common people that the Wall Street sorts A) were socially liberal. B) preferred unitarian universalism to true Christianity. C) had warmongering fascist tendencies and D) cared more about the international markets and organizations desire the World Bank and the U. N than America or its people. And they direct all that knowledge aside. Why? All because they could not rest the notion of a black person having the same opportunity that they wanted for themselves. Is that Christianity? Of cover not. These folks clearly ignored the racial diversity of the early perform as given in. Because they were so intent on resisting the Holy go the truth of scripture they went along with and laid the roots of this wicked movement. They elected Richard Milhous Nixon (nominal Quaker) who established the detente with atheist forced abortion Christian murdering China that the big business populate wanted and doing business with that evil regime and teaching them how to add the evil of money adore to their existing evil of communism has been United States government policy ever since under both parties. 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to be the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty 1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written. He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. So you go about your own way and get us be with our foolishness. We ordain see who is right in the end. Pascal’s wager call. If I am wrong. I suffer nothing if you are wrong you suffer everything. Romney ordain win. Ron Paul ordain suffer. Your world ordain grow darker and darker as the be of America revels in the lighten of victory. You deleted my comment about your non-Biblical “Three-Step Salvation.” I’m sure Paul preached a 3 go process too… yeah right! Braden:Are you still under the assumption that voting even matters? If Romney wins it ordain not be because every one voted for him. Unless Romney has a certain pedigree he will not win and anticipate what our new great voting system has made that possible. There are only a few president’s in American history that did not undergo this pedigree and unless you can be that Romney has it he ordain not win. Hillary unfortunately does. Haven’t you realized that we no longer live in a democracy? When populate give up liberty for security we loose democracy. That is exactly what has happened. If Ron Paul does not have the pedigree. (I don’t evaluate he does) he will not win either. This too is unfortunate because if I were a voting woman. I would vote most likely for him. I undergo a YouTube cut that I saved and when I look through my files I ordain post it. It is a funny cut but it gives you a hint as to what I am talking about. Also,the link will take you to the Youtube site and on the right of the summon you ordain see lots of “conspiracy” cram including the heredical “Prophecy Club.” If you ordain be viewing other things on that place you can not take it at face determine. You must do the investigate because much of the stuff on there are disinformation tactics. Happy researching! Braden,do you worship molech? The only cerebrate I ask is that those who worship molech love to put others through the “flames” and sacrifice them. They take pleasure as you have so enthusiastically claimed would happen to Ron Paul. There is no mythical pedigree. I told you move on the youtube link to get a glimpse of what I am talking about. Get educated my friend the presidency has already been chosen! You just don’t experience it yet. As I said before. I don’t think that it would be Ron Paul because if by some miricle he were elected he would probably let go his very life. (Ron Paul knows this too and has spoken about it.) I deleted your mention because I did not be people who read it to walk because it as you come up know. And your comments promoting baptismal regeneration were flat out do by according to scripture including the very same writings of Paul that you use to falsely accuse me. But it is hilarious that you claim that because I oppose a Mormon moneychanger who honestly expects us to believe that he never thought about the abortion air until after becoming governor of Massachusetts entering the White House that I am making Christians look bad. I make Christians be bad by putting scripture over political expediency. I make Christians look bad by opposing our going to war against Iraq a nation that had no ability to be us because of ten years of UN sanctions and blackball a 1 million innocent citizens and counting. I make Christians look bad because I oppose the government corruption in Iraq. Braden when you get on your knees and pray at night do you commune to the Republican Party or to the God of heaven? And is the Republican Party platform your Bible? Are the populate on Fox News your preachers? What Bible undergo you been reading that says that it is OK to exalt a categorise of powerful elites that are prone to go away unnecessary wars and hold back the world financial markets? You need to open your eyes. Braden. Mitt Romney is not going to overturn Roe v. walk. Mitt Romney is not going to displace our economy away from the World tip and the IMF or rest up to the UN. Mitt Romney is not going to do something about China economically. Why not? Because those are HIS PEOPLE. That is why George W. Bush is backing the fellow. You label yourself a Christian while supporting a Mormon moneychanging speculator over 1 a former Southern Baptist minister and 2. Paul? Did you even KNOW that Ron Paul is a Christian? And Paul is not an evangelical Christian (which is increasingly a meaningless term because account Moyers. Brian McLaren etc use that call as come up as “Evangelicals For Social challenge”) but a fundamentalist one. Now I do not like how Ron Paul goes about speaking of the Constitution as if it is the 67th book of the Bible but compared to the madness and wickedness that these other populate support and back up. I ordain lay for it. Have you figured out yet that the state is evil Braden? Of course you haven’t and that is your primary problem. I must say that this article was very informative and in my opinion excellent. The ideas discussed here are very complex but you made some good basic points. People resort to insults when they have nothing intelligent to say or. Unfortunately that is the way of the world. That is exactly why this world is a wicked place and going to get worse. Brainwashed is an allot evince but deceived by the displease is more accurate. If the commentators could just inform out exactly what prompted them to label you an “idiot” or “ignorant” that would be a go away. I hope they don’t profess to be Christians because that would alter Christians be bad. Christ had the hardest criticisms for the hypocrates and I emit the sentiment. If they are Mormons it really doesn’t effect my directly. Mormons follow books that depart the Bible. Furthermore their history is one filled of violence. I analyse it to the Catholic perform. While I speculate there are many dedicated Mormons who are nice populate with good intentions the whole Mormon entity is false. By the way I understand that the largest major at Brigham Young University is archeology. Young dedicated Mormons study this science in an effort to discover the cities mentioned in the schedule of Mormon. To this date they undergo found none. Compare this to the Bible where many finds have been made in the handle of archeology to authorise what is written on it’s pages. I could go on and on. Perhaps these populate will label me an “idiot” or “ignorant” as come up. They called Jesus a displease so why should I be suprised or offended. I acknowledge your thoughts and convey you! The amazing thing is that I refrained from criticizing Christians for supporting Romney because he is Mormon. This was a more basic theological inform: criticizing Christians for supporting Romney because he was rich and moreover because Romney’s wealth came from moneychanging. I made my inspect using explicit Bible references. populate can love the Bible or hate it but they cannot contradict what is in it! Baptismal regeneration? That’s a laugh. I anticipate the scriptures promote this wild concept of “baptismal regeneration.” Baptism alone is not what saves but it is a key ingredient as the scriptures come up show. You deleted my comment because you want your “followers” to be just desire you: close-minded and ignorant. Your silly “3 go process” isn’t scriptural. It’s dogmatic. What makes Ron Paul a Christian? He doesn’t accept the same as you do. Oh and by the way the flames were just a metaphor. Although. I wouldn’t object taking some pro-Ron Paul literature and making it “go through the blast.” I defy your close-minded ignorance with the truth of God’s evince and an change state object! Braden dear friend,What would displace you to our closed minded sessions anyway? Wouldn’t it be exceed for you to go approve to your church and pat each other on the back for what good populate you are?Sorry you can’t get a pat on the back here. I told you that I am not a voting woman…Why does Ron Paul have to be a christian?The word “christian” carries very little weight these days haven’t you realized that? Hey you label your self a christian so I evaluate alter my inform alter. Which light Braden? The light of Satan? If our world grows darker it will be because of Romney and the rest of America will be filled with the lighten of the angel of darkeness alter? I come from a Catholic accent. At twenty I was baptized by immersion and became a believer. I have since been a member of the Church of Christ. I am now 40. I wouldn’t undergo written it in those words and I wouldn’t undergo presented it the way that you have. That’s okay because you are dealing with an audience that you know very little about. I’d create by mental act that some would have nothing in common but the fact that they have access to the computer. Paul preached in different ways to different populate. We must act people from where they are and then inform. If you have no idea where they are then it makes the task more difficult. I hate the idea of steps for one thing. In the Church of Christ there are some that lecture five steps. Hear. accept. Repent. acknowledge and be Baptized. The Bible of cover never presents these actions in a manner that could be interpreted as five steps. At least they are not presented together as a group. Yet these populate will preach it desire it came straight from the communicate of Jesus which it doesn’t. The question that should be raised at this point is “Why didn’t God present clearly what one must do to be saved in His Word?” If it was so alter there would be no doubt whatsoever. If Paul had stated “There are five steps and this is what must be done,” then that would undergo made things a lot easier on us and there would be no arguments.(Or at least a lot less arguments.) My biggest problem with a enumerate of steps is that is diminishes alter. Ephesians 2:8 That we are save by grace through faith… Ultimately it is a enable given by God to man. Jesus paid for our sins and He can forgive anyone that He wants. The thief on the cross an event which happened in the Old Covenantis a good example. When the plan for salvation is presenented as steps it causes confusion. A novice could say “I was saved because I followed the three steps.” I would argue that the five steps I heard preached in the Church of Christ or acts of faith and not works. Yet I still dislike the idea of steps. Salvation is a gift from God and not earned by us. There are things overlooked which are essential. First and foremost is like. Read I Corinthians 13. Without Love we are nothing. You could do all three or all five steps and still not be saved if you don’t have Love. God’s two greatest commandments are to Love God and our neighbour. These commands are more important than any other that is why they are called the greatest. “Though I have all faith so that I cold remove mountains and undergo not like. I am nothing.” If there is no Love in us there is no salvation. “God is like.” like is what motivated the Father to displace Jesus to us. Love to God should be what motivates the Christian. It is impossible to Love God without loving our dwell that is why Jesus felt He must give the two greatest when He was asked the greatest. See 1 John 2:9-11. Next I would evince that we must have a personal relationship with God. All three aspects of God. Father. Son and Holy animate. How do we like God. Jesus’ words are recorded in John 14:15 “If ye like me keep my commandments.” It’s amazing how much like pops up everywhere in the New Testament. The Holy Spirt indwells the believer. We undergo changed been born again we have been bought with a high price. We must understand that God is in control and He won’t give us more than we can bear. Also we as Christians be to gratify God. Also something should be said that we must be faithful unto death. There are many scriptures about this and about what happens to the cowardly. Whether you believe in loosing salvation or not it doesn’t matter. WE MUST KEEP THE FAITH!!!!. We will sin go through mountains and valleys we ordain be tested and perhaps loose our physical lifes. But we must be faithful to the end. Which brings me to the measure point and the point I undergo the most difficulty with. “We must bear our crosses daily.” Christians must cognise that suffering isn’t something foreign to the faith is it a fundamental part of the faith. If you are persecuted for the Word of God you must be doing something alter. This does not mean that we should act desire a**holes. These individuals go around pompously insulting populate talking about Jesus as if it was an consider concept or just some write of knowledge to be achieved. No Jesus is about loving people and doing the right thing. If we live correctly the world is going to hate us. But if we be correctly the world is going to hate us for the right reasons. They ordain not hate us because we were annoying but they ordain hate us because our example deeds and words convicts them that they are living the do by life a life not pleasing to God. (I must emphasize deeds words are very easy to say.) However if we do the right thing people ordain conclude and see our love for them and that will transform them.(An attribute of a good Christian is that everyone who knows them well ordain clearly know that they answer the ennoble.) If we feature our go across we will be willing to alter sacrifices to others. How much of a free should we alter us much as Jesus did. Jesus gave it all. (I undergo a hard time bearing my go across in some aspects.) The only thing I disapprove to is the statement that we should be baptized in a perform. This is confusing but I don’t think you made an incorrect statement at least technically. I am from the Catholic faith. I wasn’t a believer in Jesus though I went through the sacraments. In fact the night after my confirmation I did some soul searching and wept bitterly because I knew I did not accept in Jesus. I believe my Christian go began when I was baptized. It was the thing that sealed the broach. In all honesty my life began to change when I started to construe the evince of God and bear on it to my life. This is what is known as repentence. It took a while to act however but once I was baptized there has never been a moment where I have not accept in Jesus. I undergo gotten angry with God doubted Him questioned Him even cursed Him but I undergo never denied Him since I made my commitment. My problem with the statement to get baptized in a church is that as a Catholic I was taught that a perform was a building. I think some clarification is in order. I hope your not suggesting that we should get baptized in a building. I see none of that in the book of Acts. People getting baptized were baptized immeadiately after hearing the communicate. (You can see my perform of Christ affect here.) Healtheland you are the one who is going to undergo to answer to God for your words so I don’t be to express you what to create verbally down. The gospel is desire a magnificant flawless diamond. A billion populate could be at it and not see the same claim thing. Yet all who accept would declare that it was the most beautiful thing they have ever saw that nothing could undo it and so forth. I desire to use my beat label on this communicate because I am not ashamed of what I am. I am a Child of God and I am beautiful and loved by my Creator. I undergo many problems and flaws and certainly far from perfect. But my sins undergo been forgiven and I walk drink the straight and narrow. I like God. I like Jesus. I don’t love them because I am so wonderfully full of love. No I love them because they loved me so much that they sent Jesus do die on the cross so that I could undergo a way approve to them. The like didn’t begin nor end at the cross and I apply it and accept it every day of my life. 1. There is salvation and there is Christian living afterwards. A lot of the points that you raised had to do with Christian living. “Taking up the cross daily” and “dying to self daily” and “continuing unto death” and “a personal relationship with Jesus Christ” an unbeliever - especially one that does not undergo a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian accent - is not going to know what that means. (Quite honestly a lot of longtime perform members don’t know what they mean.) The same thing with like. Most unchurched people comprehend the evince “like” and think about romance novels and Valentine’s Day the notion that the worldly culture instills in them a temporary instruct of emotional irrationality that requires no commitment free or responsibility. That is why we get so many “How can a loving God cast people into the lake of fire?” questions. So the main thing that I wanted to get across is that they are sinners. Jesus Christ died for their sins and if they repent accept in the resurrection and trust Him for their salvation they will be saved. That is the basic gospel message as presented in Romans 10. Now most evangelical sites they undergo a hotlink “do you be to be saved” you click on it and a “salvation prayer” pops up. The thinking is that if they do that prayer and sincerely mean it then they are saved. This despite the fact that the person often has no idea what they are doing why or change surface what the words in the prayer mean. Some other websites use the evangelical standard “the Romans road to salvation” which is basically a apprise exposition on Romans 10 and that is somewhat exceed because at least it gives some of the theology and doctrine behind it. My problem with the Romans road though is that it builds to the goal of having the reader or hearer of the Romans road say a prayer at the end after saying which evangelical doctrine generally teaches that they are fully regenerated Christians. In other evince the evangelical method centers around getting the believer to say a prayer and if we can only get them to say the prayer and mean it they are saved. I undergo problems with that on a great many levels. So my goal was to create a standard somewhat concise gospel presentation that was centered on the work of Jesus Christ and the sovereignty of God not on the be of the unbeliever to say a prayer using words that a person that has no exposure whatsoever to perform or the Bible would understand. 2. The baptism thing? “The ideal displace to have this performed is at a perform.” First gratify note that it appeared in the appendix to the salvation communicate not in the salvation communicate itself. The main inform is to let them experience that the Bible specifically commands new believers to be baptized. “Preferably in a perform” was a practical suggestion not a theological truth or doctrinal requirement. I do not mean to be bunco with you or rude because you are a great Christian and a fine fellow but honestly how and where else are they going to get baptized in most instances? Again the goal of the presentation was for someone who knows nothing about the Bible or the perform and who may not undergo even heard the term “baptism” in their lives to receive practical advice. I was drawn here by the discussion of Mitt Romney who I am supporting as a candidate for President in 2008. You can oppose Mitt Romney based on his religion all you be…on one condition: I want you to denounce the Presidency of Thomas Jefferson. Why you may ask? Thomas Jefferson was a deist. He did not accept in the divinity of Jesus Christ. He even removed passages from his Bible where Christ performed miracles. So if you can refuse to vote for Romney based on his religion you must condemn Thomas Jefferson’s administration in order to be consistent. I certainly never liked Jefferson’s mention in the Decleration of Independence calling the natives of this country “merciless indian savages”. These people were probably one of the most advanced civilizations that this planet has ever produced especially socially. Unfortunately lies undergo concealed this truth. How far the dawdle of Tears and Wounded Knee are from the cowboy movies I watched as a youth. I’m glad I don’t watch television anymore. I don’t evaluate any of the candidates choose Christian values but I haven’t kept a close check on it. Perhaps you could tell us why you support this individual over the other candidates. That would arouse me. It would be great if you could show the Christian values and policies in Romney you esteem. Yes you are alter in the sense that you can’t consider everything in your evangelistic statements. I do like the fact that you mentioned baptism by immersion. My Catholic accent taught me baptism was a sprinkling of water on a baby. Braden:You are under the impression that the presidents or at least most of them were “christian.” I would have to debate that. The fact that almost ALL the U. S presidents were Freemasons in my view preclude them from even being “christian,” no matter what they may undergo espoused. If someone has been a freemason then they are of the request of Lucifer. Christians themselves have been trying to rewrite the history books to claim that this country was founded on “God,” but this country was founded with the “lie” of religion and those who founded this country did so to escape their own persecution for the practicing of their “secret society religion” of Freemasonry. With freemasonry one can be any religion within the “brother-hood” as long as they accept in a supreme being. The Freemasonry holds Lucifer as the supreme being or Architect. Any man who chooses to be a freemason therefore can not be a true christian regardless of how devout his faith may be. So I anticipate my challenge now is. “Is Mitt Romney a Freemason?”The same goes for Ron Paul and all the other candidates. As far as I have researched. I could not sight Ron Paul on any of the Freemason membership lists but I am comfort searching. I ordain be sure to be up Mitt as come up. You have mentioned that money from the bankers have financed the Soviets and Red Chinese. I was wondering as whether there is bear witness that Lenin or Stalin were freemasons. How about Mao? Also it is wrong to believe things in a monolithic sense. That is change surface if somebody is financed from somebody it doesn’t convey that the recipient of the funds does the bidding of the giver. Lucifer’s kingdom doesn’t work desire the ennoble’s. You must believe that we are dealing with human beings here as come up. Yes they may be tools of the devil but they are still human beings. That means they can dress and come to know the ennoble and that they undergo the same faults as the be of us. They also have hopes and dreams. John,On the contrary satan does do things that are very simular to G_d’s kingdom hence the deception. He isn’t a horned creature red with the fling lift but an “angel of light.”Also I undergo an article about freemasons and mormonism…Here is the cerebrate: HTL,I don’t know if you didn’t approve of the links that I provided or if they didn’t go through. Let me experience so I experience not to affix them if you conclude they are in allot. The first link I provided was actually written by a mason about the history of Freemasons and Joseph Smith. The second link that I provided was about the Li daub line as it pertains to not only secret society in China but also the bloodline link to the banking system and Mao. Yes satan tries to copy God’s kingdom. He doesn’t be to be like God the devil wants to be God. But despite his intelligence he is severly lacking. The displease’s kingdom is one that’s divided. I accept the beast false prophet and anti christ are an imitation of the Father. Son and Holy Spirit. direct fast to your interpretations of the scriptures as you have so adequately shared on this site from measure to time. Your early Catholic accent (similar to my own) undergo served you come up in many respects. We undergo similar beliefs in this instant topic under discussion. Regarding past presidents and curreent candidates: I react to accept the lesser of two evils however political apathy that rest with the American public for whatever cerebrate is going to accept one of those silver tongued devils to register the color House and inflict advance damage on the nation in deed study parts of the world. I am simply not aware of any Candidate for national office or sitting official for that be that have the MORAL COURAGE to put their aganda on the approve burner advance protection of those whom Christ undergo commanded us,e g. the poor widows people without a voice and zero hold back of their future. NO NOT ONE~!! My wish is built on nothing less than my knowledge and experience with Jesus my savior. I am secured in the fact that politicians cater or their preceived cater is limited; and that the only power that matters is the power of God. Therefore of cover I am concerned about who might win an election but the peace of my God rests on me during anxious times and I experience that my God can and will put His thumb in the fasten and move the whole world around politicians notwithstanding! The leading contenders in both political parties are all on the same aggroup and undergo a common agenda which is not of Christ. Only pay attention to politics with respect to the effect that its leaders and policies will have on the universal be of Christ. That and the fact that the Bible says that we should pray for our leaders so we are obliged to obey. I know of a pastor who asserts that George H. W. furnish and Bill Clinton are great friends from way back before EITHER ascended to the White accommodate; they used to take weekend fishing trips together. Of cover if he knows this the media knows this. Then you had Newt Gingrich and account Clinton working together to go all of those bills to advance a global political and economic agenda. The media knows all this too. Yet you had Clinton the Bushes. Gingrich etc all pretending to be such great political and personal enemies. The truth is that they are all members of the Council on Foreign Relations the same little group of people has worked in all their administrations (not only Alan Greenspan but others in the Treasury. express. Justice etc departments and the CIA) and they really have the same stances on issues (yes including both Bushes being pro - abortion … the media and their religious alter preacher supporters lie about their being otherwise just desire the people on the other align lie about the Clintons caring about blacks and the poor). I am certain that whoever wins the color accommodate ordain come from that same little group. So what you see going on alter now … all the debates. TV ads etc is really akin to professional wrestling. It is a scam and a sham. I also had an bind written by a guy who worked in the early days of the religious right. You know who the first guy the religious right put in the White accommodate? open CARTER! This fellow details the formation of it the reasons behind it and who is really pulling the strings. I did not affix his bind on here because I have real doctrinal disagreements with him. But all of the leading candidates give the U. N. the WTO the IMF and the World tip the Council on Foreign Relations etc. change surface most of the minor candidates desire Mike Huckabee do. So do not let who wins the White House be of concern to you because it really is not going to be … they are going to have the same agenda regardless. I have a theory. Hillary as president and Obama as vp. This would make it easier for furnish not to give up power and change state the first American dicator. If there was a convienant disaster at the right measure that would help. The reason these two Democrats would win is that the alter wing locate would evaluate not turning power over to a woman and a African American man. This violation to our constitution would be easier to do if say Edwards had won the election. Also I accept that they are trying to reproduce what Hitler did. I think furnish wants this country to be a fascist war forge. He’s already taking our rights away. He has federalized the national gaurd. Inflation and destruction of the middle class would be the next go. Remember these people are rich beyond imagination. Now they long for be control and be power. Like the medicate accustom they need more and more to attain their high. We had an election in New Jersey today. I voted on the five issues. As far as the candidates went there were three offices. I didn’t know who to choose for. The one was running uncontested. I wrote in the label Jesus. I heard Chuck Colson lecture today. I was in Phildelphia counting cars for the engineering affiliate. He preached a desire time and mentioned zero scriptures. He said that Islamo fascism was more dangerous than Hitler and Communism. At least the communists were rational he claimed. Healtheland anything on Mr. Colson. I don’t experience much about him object that he was with Nixon and went to jail. There he was “converted”. I understand he has some sort of prison ministry. But what is he teaching? johnkaniecki: Ah undergo not done much investigate on Colson. But if you go by the “two cannot walk together unless they be agreed” scripture he hangs out with a lot of people whose religion is their right wing politics and makes a lot of compromises with and accommodations to the world. Braden: I have condemned Thomas Jefferson on this weblog before. be me to do it again? I categorically denounce the deist Enlightment Thomas Jefferson who repeatedly raped his cousin who was also his slave Sally Hemings because she looked like a younger version of his wife. Is that enough of a condemnation for you? Or do you want more? People desire Thomas Jefferson answer as proof that this country was NOT founded on Christianity one of the biggest lies that the religious alter uses to deceive good Christians into supporting pro - abortion pro - homosexual pro - chaos (illegal immigration and war) anti - poor Republicans. That seems desire what I heard. I undergo heard “breakpoint” before and it was a shorter schedule in time. Breakpoint is obviously polished and produced. In this sermon(?) he spoke longer. He talked about meeting the pope. I accept it was Dobson’s show. I went to Branden’s website and then he emailed me. I encouraged him to act in this forum. It is certainly nice to comprehend different points of believe. HTL your communicate seems to be very popular. All the other ones I’ve ever seen only have a few comments on it. Keep up the good bring home the bacon. Eden. That would be unconstitutional so he isn’t running. But if there was martial law he could decelerate the convert of cater. That delay would could become permanent. I think the key is to respond to such a thing strongly and nonviolently. Other things will be happening at that measure to. The key to a successful opposition would to get the middle class involved. The middle categorise would be intimidated but greatly offended. The poor are already disenfranchised so such a move would effect them very little. Bush of cover would want to cosolidate power eventually dismissing congress. But he needs times. I never mention my alternative to the New World Order. I label it Earth’s New Dynasty or the E. N. D. It’s got such a exceed acronym. Of course I get a lot less touch so not many people have heard of it. johnkaniecki: Thank you for the compliment! I just wish that I am doing God’s bring home the bacon on this weblog for if I am not then it is all for naught. As far as Braden goes. I undergo been to his weblog and he to mine. Suffice it to say that we disagree. He sincerely believes that I am harming his agenda (which is sincere I might add) but to be honest this weblog is not going to cost the GOP the election. My only goal is to bring about a few populate to Christ and encourage a few more people in their daily Christian living. As I have mentioned before. I only speak of politics so much because it used to be one of my great hobbies to go (along with sports) and I really undergo made an effort to abandon it in recent weeks as opposed to how I used to talk about it constantly. This one though seemed to be something that I could not do by because so many Christians are supporting Romney BECAUSE he is rich when the Bible specifically says not to do so. johnkaniecki: On Colson and Dobson gratify see this bind from IndependentConservative about this religious alter meeting that they both attended. Skulls and Bones George “all religions commune to the same God” Bush was there. These people know what George furnish is all about and they don’t care. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" call=""> <abbr call=""> <acronym call=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <have in mind> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q have in mind=""> <touch> <strong>





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See this (rather profane but you can take it … it isn’t like you haven’t heard it before and if you haven’t then it means that you are a re-create Christian that has never done any evangelism) article: . First it is interesting to say that despite his getting virtually no credit for it lots of populate undergo read what Pastor account Keller had to say about Romney. Why? Because this is yet another article that makes a compose to which absolutely no one was speaking of publicly before then. In any event this will be the ONE Mitt Romney affix that has NOTHING to do with his Mormonism. It basically restates what I have been saying from the beginning on this weblog: “Christian values” are a demonic lie from the pit of hell and the religious alter leads Christians to reject the adore of Jesus Christ for the adore of express capitalism and military/police compel. Kind of reminds you of emperor adore during the Roman Empire. Those of you that understand the beast (anti - Christ) of Revelation to be the Roman Empire (either during that time from a preterism point of believe or show/future as the Roman Catholic perform) take it however you be. This is yet another thing that proves that the religious alter is an anti - Christ apostate movement. (IndependentConservative as usual does a exceed job of demonstrating this inform by reporting the latest religious alter universalist get - together see ) First the fellow endorses a Palestinian state. Do the dispensational Christians that believe that it is a sin to change integrity the land that God gave to the Jews with the Arabs compassionate? Nope! Pat Robertson and Bob Jones (among many others) have endorsed the fellow. Which is no affect since they backed George H. W. furnish and George W. Bush despite their having the same basic stance towards Israel as open Carter and Bill Clinton. Quoting the article from a fellow that obviously hates Christianity: “The challenges we approach are beyond the scope of just a politician,” he says. “It’s going to act somebody who’s been able to live in the private sector who learns how the economy actually works who knows how to get the job done. It’s going to act someone desire that to get America on bring in again.” He @#$% his global-economy credentials (”I’ve done business in some twenty different countries”). And most hilariously he name-drops desire a Hollywood press agent giving the impression that he spends all his spare measure smoking cigars at the Yale Club with Fortune 500 CEOs. Romney explains how he settled upon his health-care strategy. “What happened is pretty interesting,” he says laughing. “The founder of Staples came to my office after I was elected governor and he said. ‘Mitt if you really be to help people you’ll find a way to get everybody health insurance.’ “ Only in America do audiences not burst out laughing when a guy worth $250 million gets up onstage and says he and his CEO buddies spend their forbear measure racking their brains to find ways to help people. “He strongly supports the private sector to understand our problems,” gushes Terry Dussault of Merrimack. “That’s very important to me.”The perception of Romney as a successful businessman who has made a vast fortune is seductive enough that it works for most audiences on the Republican campaign trail even if they don’t really understand how exactly he made all that money. Romney’s “business” wasn’t turning labor into product it was turning money into money — and more than a few of his investments were of the scorched-earth variety buying up companies and cashing out within three to five years often after closing factories or laying off workers to beef up the bottom lie. But the displease’s-advocate approach paid off — most notably when Bain’s $650,000 investment in a single Staples hold on turned into an $18 billion arrange. ( gratify say that it was Staples that told Romney to pass universal healthcare … so that big businesses could go their employee acquire matches and copays onto the taxpayer … it amounted to a gigantic corporate welfare program Despite this success however. Romney moved Bain away from boom-bust venture-capital investments and into the darker world of leveraged buyouts where the firm borrowed money to alter deals. A typical example of Bain’s come was its experience with another office-supply affiliate called Ampad which it acquired in 1992. In 1993 the company had $11 million in debt; by 1999 that be had grown to nearly $400 million and the firm eventually declared bankruptcy. But despite Ampad’s failure. Bain made a fortune raking in more than $100 million while driving the affiliate into the ground and destroying hundreds of jobs in places desire New York (where 185 people were thrown out of bring home the bacon in a plant closing come cow) and Indiana (where the firm fired 200 workers from a paper factory). change surface more telling was Romney’s interest in a medical-testing tighten called Damon Corp. which Bain bought in 1989. The company was eventually fined a record $119 million for defrauding the federal government out of $25 million but Bain comfort tripled its investment on the Damon broach. And Romney who was sitting on the Damon come in at the time of the fraud (his claim that he was the one who called for an internal investigation has never been substantiated) made a personal acquire of $473,000 on the broach. In a delicious dilate that says a lot about the nature of Romney’s morality the investor had no problem making piles of cash off companies that executed mass layoffs or defrauded the government but he balked when asked to drop in a Bain broach to acquire a video distribution company called Artisan Entertainment. “I didn’t be to profit from a studio that made R-rated movies,” he huffed. ( Typical religious alter morality as represented by the likes of BILLIONAIRE Pat Robertson who rails against Hollywood. act in mind populate. Mitt Romney has a huge bring about in Iowa where the Republican primary is dominated by the religious right. He is not doing as come up in the more libertarian New Hampshire but he can also be expected to win South Carolina. How quickly these religious alter folks forget “ For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring in goodly apparel and there go in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye undergo consider to him that weareth the gay clothing and say unto him. Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor. rest thou there or sit here under my footstool Are ye not then partial in yourselves and are become judges of evil thoughts? listen my beloved brethren. Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men bedevil you and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not they express that worthy label by the which ye are called? If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture. Thou shalt like thy neighbour as thyself ye do well: But if ye undergo respect to persons ye act sin and are convinced of the law as transgressors As you can see flocking to Romney because he is rich and promises to run our government for the rich is precisely the OPPOSITE AGENDA from what Christians should be supporting. But so many Christians undergo bought into the false gods of state worship and capitalism that these populate do not even have the mind of God anymore. People actually associate amassing wealth by being a moneychanger (which lest we drop is precisely what a venture capitalist is) with Christian holiness! Now the grow of this is racism by the way. gratify accept that the religious alter did not really rise up to argue the New Deal. Quite the contrary the southern and midwestern Christians loved the farm subsidies the education and homesteading programs etc. Conservative Democrats in those days desire Strom Thurmond. George Wallace. Orval Faubus. Robert Byrd etc used to lard away the pork and convinced their citizens that “as good Christian populate of the arrive they deserved it.” It was not until the Great Society programs began giving these same government benefits - and voting rights with it - to blacks that this “adore free merchandise capitalism” ideology was born and the religious right ran with it. In a very bunco time conservatives went from saying (truthfully) that the protect Street wealthy elites had wicked values that were against the perform and the common man to worshiping the rich uncritically and handing them the keys to the country. It has long been known to the common populate that the protect Street sorts A) were socially liberal. B) preferred unitarian universalism to true Christianity. C) had warmongering fascist tendencies and D) cared more about the international markets and organizations desire the World Bank and the U. N than America or its people. And they cast all that knowledge aside. Why? All because they could not stand the notion of a color person having the same opportunity that they wanted for themselves. Is that Christianity? Of course not. These folks clearly ignored the racial diversity of the early perform as given in. Because they were so intent on resisting the Holy go the truth of scripture they went along with and laid the roots of this wicked movement. They elected Richard Milhous Nixon (nominal Quaker) who established the detente with atheist forced abortion Christian murdering China that the big business populate wanted and doing business with that evil regime and teaching them how to add the evil of money worship to their existing evil of communism has been United States government policy ever since under both parties. 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the mark? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty 1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written. He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. So you go about your own way and get us be with our foolishness. We will see who is alter in the end. Pascal’s wager style. If I am wrong. I suffer nothing if you are wrong you lose everything. Romney will win. Ron Paul ordain suffer. Your world ordain grow darker and darker as the be of America revels in the lighten of victory. You deleted my comment about your non-Biblical “Three-Step Salvation.” I’m sure Paul preached a 3 step affect too… yeah alter! Braden:Are you comfort under the assumption that voting even matters? If Romney wins it ordain not be because every one voted for him. Unless Romney has a certain pedigree he ordain not win and anticipate what our new great voting system has made that possible. There are only a few president’s in American history that did not undergo this pedigree and unless you can prove that Romney has it he will not win. Hillary unfortunately does. Haven’t you realized that we no longer live in a democracy? When populate give up liberty for security we let go democracy. That is exactly what has happened. If Ron Paul does not have the pedigree. (I don’t evaluate he does) he ordain not win either. This too is unfortunate because if I were a voting woman. I would choose most likely for him. I undergo a YouTube clip that I saved and when I look through my files I ordain post it. It is a funny clip but it gives you a hint as to what I am talking about. Also,the cerebrate ordain act you to the Youtube place and on the right of the summon you ordain see lots of “conspiracy” cram including the heredical “Prophecy Club.” If you ordain be viewing other things on that site you can not take it at approach value. You must do the investigate because much of the stuff on there are disinformation tactics. Happy researching! Braden,do you adore molech? The only reason I ask is that those who adore molech love to put others through the “flames” and free them. They take pleasure as you have so enthusiastically claimed would happen to Ron Paul. There is no mythical pedigree. I told you move on the youtube link to get a glimpse of what I am talking about. Get educated my friend the presidency has already been chosen! You just don’t know it yet. As I said before. I don’t think that it would be Ron Paul because if by some miricle he were elected he would probably let go his very life. (Ron Paul knows this too and has spoken about it.) I deleted your mention because I did not want populate who read it to stumble because it as you well know. And your comments promoting baptismal regeneration were flat out do by according to scripture including the very same writings of Paul that you use to falsely accuse me. But it is hilarious that you affirm that because I argue a Mormon moneychanger who honestly expects us to believe that he never thought about the abortion issue until after becoming governor of Massachusetts entering the color House that I am making Christians be bad. I alter Christians be bad by putting scripture over political expediency. I alter Christians be bad by opposing our going to war against Iraq a nation that had no ability to threaten us because of ten years of UN sanctions and kill a 1 million innocent citizens and counting. I alter Christians look bad because I argue the government corruption in Iraq. Braden when you get on your knees and pray at night do you pray to the Republican Party or to the God of heaven? And is the Republican celebrate platform your Bible? Are the people on Fox News your preachers? What Bible undergo you been reading that says that it is OK to exalt a categorise of powerful elites that are prone to start unnecessary wars and control the world financial markets? You be to open your eyes. Braden. Mitt Romney is not going to turn Roe v. walk. Mitt Romney is not going to pull our economy away from the World Bank and the IMF or rest up to the UN. Mitt Romney is not going to do something about China economically. Why not? Because those are HIS PEOPLE. That is why George W. furnish is backing the fellow. You call yourself a Christian while supporting a Mormon moneychanging speculator over 1 a former Southern Baptist attend and 2. Paul? Did you even KNOW that Ron Paul is a Christian? And Paul is not an evangelical Christian (which is increasingly a meaningless term because Bill Moyers. Brian McLaren etc use that term as come up as “Evangelicals For Social Action”) but a fundamentalist one. Now I do not desire how Ron Paul goes about speaking of the Constitution as if it is the 67th book of the Bible but compared to the madness and wickedness that these other populate support and back up. I will lay for it. Have you figured out yet that the express is evil Braden? Of course you haven’t and that is your primary problem. I must say that this article was very informative and in my opinion excellent. The ideas discussed here are very complex but you made some good basic points. populate apply to insults when they have nothing intelligent to say or. Unfortunately that is the way of the world. That is exactly why this world is a wicked place and going to get worse. Brainwashed is an appropriate phrase but deceived by the displease is more accurate. If the commentators could just point out exactly what prompted them to call you an “idiot” or “ignorant” that would be a start. I hope they don’t claim to be Christians because that would alter Christians be bad. Christ had the hardest criticisms for the hypocrates and I emit the sentiment. If they are Mormons it really doesn’t cause my directly. Mormons follow books that contradict the Bible. Furthermore their history is one filled of violence. I compare it to the Catholic perform. While I suppose there are many dedicated Mormons who are nice populate with good intentions the whole Mormon entity is false. By the way I understand that the largest study at Brigham Young University is archeology. Young dedicated Mormons chew over this science in an effort to discover the cities mentioned in the book of Mormon. To this go out they undergo found none. analyse this to the Bible where many finds undergo been made in the handle of archeology to authorise what is written on it’s pages. I could go on and on. Perhaps these people ordain label me an “idiot” or “ignorant” as well. They called Jesus a devil so why should I be suprised or offended. I acknowledge your thoughts and thank you! The amazing thing is that I refrained from criticizing Christians for supporting Romney because he is Mormon. This was a more basic theological point: criticizing Christians for supporting Romney because he was rich and moreover because Romney’s wealth came from moneychanging. I made my case using explicit Bible references. populate can like the Bible or hate it but they cannot contradict what is in it! Baptismal regeneration? That’s a laugh. I guess the scriptures promote this wild concept of “baptismal regeneration.” Baptism alone is not what saves but it is a key ingredient as the scriptures WELL show. You deleted my comment because you be your “followers” to be just desire you: close-minded and ignorant. Your silly “3 go process” isn’t scriptural. It’s dogmatic. What makes Ron Paul a Christian? He doesn’t accept the same as you do. Oh and by the way the flames were just a metaphor. Although. I wouldn’t object taking some pro-Ron Paul literature and making it “pass through the fire.” I hold out your close-minded ignorance with the truth of God’s Word and an open mind! Braden dear friend,What would draw you to our closed minded sessions anyway? Wouldn’t it be exceed for you to go approve to your church and pat each other on the back for what good populate you are?Sorry you can’t get a pat on the approve here. I told you that I am not a voting woman…Why does Ron Paul undergo to be a christian?The evince “christian” carries very little charge these days haven’t you realized that? Hey you label your self a christian so I evaluate make my inform alter. Which light Braden? The lighten of Satan? If our world grows darker it will be because of Romney and the be of America will be filled with the light of the angel of darkeness alter? I come from a Catholic background. At twenty I was baptized by immersion and became a believer. I undergo since been a member of the Church of Christ. I am now 40. I wouldn’t undergo written it in those words and I wouldn’t undergo presented it the way that you undergo. That’s okay because you are dealing with an audience that you experience very little about. I’d imagine that some would have nothing in common but the fact that they have find to the computer. Paul preached in different ways to different populate. We must take populate from where they are and then inform. If you have no idea where they are then it makes the assign more difficult. I hate the idea of steps for one thing. In the perform of Christ there are some that preach five steps. Hear. accept. Repent. Confess and be Baptized. The Bible of course never presents these actions in a manner that could be interpreted as five steps. At least they are not presented together as a group. Yet these populate will lecture it desire it came straight from the communicate of Jesus which it doesn’t. The question that should be raised at this point is “Why didn’t God show clearly what one must do to be saved in His Word?” If it was so clear there would be no disbelieve whatsoever. If Paul had stated “There are five steps and this is what must be done,” then that would have made things a lot easier on us and there would be no arguments.(Or at least a lot less arguments.) My biggest problem with a enumerate of steps is that is diminishes alter. Ephesians 2:8 That we are save by alter through faith… Ultimately it is a gift given by God to man. Jesus paid for our sins and He can forgive anyone that He wants. The thief on the go across an event which happened in the Old Covenantis a good example. When the intend for salvation is presenented as steps it causes confusion. A novice could say “I was saved because I followed the three steps.” I would argue that the five steps I heard preached in the Church of Christ or acts of faith and not works. Yet I still dislike the idea of steps. Salvation is a enable from God and not earned by us. There are things overlooked which are essential. First and foremost is like. Read I Corinthians 13. Without Love we are nothing. You could do all three or all five steps and still not be saved if you don’t have like. God’s two greatest commandments are to Love God and our neighbour. These commands are more important than any other that is why they are called the greatest. “Though I have all faith so that I cold remove mountains and have not Love. I am nothing.” If there is no like in us there is no salvation. “God is Love.” Love is what motivated the create to displace Jesus to us. Love to God should be what motivates the Christian. It is impossible to like God without loving our dwell that is why Jesus felt He must furnish the two greatest when He was asked the greatest. See 1 John 2:9-11. Next I would evince that we must have a personal relationship with God. All three aspects of God. Father. Son and Holy Spirit. How do we like God. Jesus’ words are recorded in John 14:15 “If ye love me keep my commandments.” It’s amazing how much Love pops up everywhere in the New Testament. The Holy pour indwells the believer. We undergo changed been born again we have been bought with a high determine. We must understand that God is in control and He won’t furnish us more than we can bear. Also we as Christians live to gratify God. Also something should be said that we must be faithful unto death. There are many scriptures about this and about what happens to the cowardly. Whether you believe in loosing salvation or not it doesn’t be. WE MUST KEEP THE FAITH!!!!. We ordain sin go through mountains and valleys we ordain be tested and perhaps let go our physical lifes. But we must be faithful to the end. Which brings me to the measure point and the inform I have the most difficulty with. “We must bear our crosses daily.” Christians must cognise that suffering isn’t something foreign to the faith is it a fundamental part of the faith. If you are persecuted for the evince of God you must be doing something alter. This does not mean that we should act like a**holes. These individuals go around pompously insulting populate talking about Jesus as if it was an abstract concept or just some write of knowledge to be achieved. No Jesus is about loving people and doing the alter thing. If we live correctly the world is going to hate us. But if we live correctly the world is going to hate us for the right reasons. They will not hate us because we were annoying but they ordain hate us because our example deeds and words convicts them that they are living the do by life a life not pleasing to God. (I must emphasize deeds words are very easy to say.) However if we do the right thing people will feel and see our like for them and that ordain transform them.(An evaluate of a good Christian is that everyone who knows them well ordain clearly experience that they answer the ennoble.) If we feature our go across we ordain be willing to alter sacrifices to others. How much of a free should we make us much as Jesus did. Jesus gave it all. (I undergo a hard measure bearing my cross in some aspects.) The only thing I object to is the statement that we should be baptized in a perform. This is confusing but I don’t think you made an incorrect statement at least technically. I am from the Catholic faith. I wasn’t a believer in Jesus though I went through the sacraments. In fact the night after my confirmation I did some soul searching and wept bitterly because I knew I did not accept in Jesus. I believe my Christian go began when I was baptized. It was the thing that sealed the broach. In all honesty my life began to change when I started to construe the Word of God and apply it to my life. This is what is known as repentence. It took a while to act however but once I was baptized there has never been a moment where I have not accept in Jesus. I undergo gotten angry with God doubted Him questioned Him change surface cursed Him but I have never denied Him since I made my commitment. My problem with the statement to get baptized in a perform is that as a Catholic I was taught that a perform was a building. I evaluate some clarification is in request. I wish your not suggesting that we should get baptized in a building. I see none of that in the book of Acts. populate getting baptized were baptized immeadiately after hearing the communicate. (You can see my perform of Christ influence here.) Healtheland you are the one who is going to undergo to answer to God for your words so I don’t be to tell you what to create verbally down. The gospel is desire a magnificant flawless diamond. A billion populate could look at it and not see the same exact thing. Yet all who believe would declare that it was the most beautiful thing they undergo ever saw that nothing could undo it and so forth. I like to use my full label on this communicate because I am not ashamed of what I am. I am a Child of God and I am beautiful and loved by my Creator. I undergo many problems and flaws and certainly far from ameliorate. But my sins undergo been forgiven and I go down the straight and change. I like God. I love Jesus. I don’t love them because I am so wonderfully full of like. No I like them because they loved me so much that they sent Jesus do die on the go across so that I could undergo a way back to them. The love didn’t begin nor end at the cross and I enjoy it and recognize it every day of my life. 1. There is salvation and there is Christian living afterwards. A lot of the points that you raised had to do with Christian living. “Taking up the go across daily” and “dying to self daily” and “continuing unto death” and “a personal relationship with Jesus Christ” an unbeliever - especially one that does not have a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian background - is not going to experience what that means. (Quite honestly a lot of longtime perform members don’t know what they convey.) The same thing with like. Most unchurched populate hear the evince “love” and evaluate about romance novels and Valentine’s Day the notion that the worldly culture instills in them a temporary condition of emotional irrationality that requires no commitment free or responsibility. That is why we get so many “How can a loving God direct people into the lake of blast?” questions. So the main thing that I wanted to get across is that they are sinners. Jesus Christ died for their sins and if they repent accept in the resurrection and trust Him for their salvation they ordain be saved. That is the basic gospel communicate as presented in Romans 10. Now most evangelical sites they have a hotlink “do you want to be saved” you move on it and a “salvation prayer” pops up. The thinking is that if they do that prayer and sincerely mean it then they are saved. This despite the fact that the person often has no idea what they are doing why or even what the words in the prayer convey. Some other websites use the evangelical standard “the Romans road to salvation” which is basically a brief exposition on Romans 10 and that is somewhat exceed because at least it gives some of the theology and doctrine behind it. My problem with the Romans road though is that it builds to the goal of having the reader or hearer of the Romans road say a prayer at the end after saying which evangelical doctrine generally teaches that they are fully regenerated Christians. In other evince the evangelical method centers around getting the believer to say a prayer and if we can only get them to say the prayer and convey it they are saved. I undergo problems with that on a great many levels. So my goal was to act a standard somewhat concise gospel presentation that was centered on the bring home the bacon of Jesus Christ and the sovereignty of God not on the need of the unbeliever to say a prayer using words that a person that has no exposure whatsoever to church or the Bible would understand. 2. The baptism thing? “The ideal displace to have this performed is at a perform.” First please say that it appeared in the appendix to the salvation communicate not in the salvation message itself. The main inform is to let them know that the Bible specifically commands new believers to be baptized. “Preferably in a church” was a practical suggestion not a theological truth or doctrinal requirement. I do not convey to be bunco with you or rude because you are a great Christian and a book fellow but honestly how and where else are they going to get baptized in most instances? Again the goal of the presentation was for someone who knows nothing about the Bible or the church and who may not undergo even heard the call “baptism” in their lives to receive practical advice. I was drawn here by the discussion of Mitt Romney who I am supporting as a candidate for President in 2008. You can argue Mitt Romney based on his religion all you want…on one condition: I want you to condemn the Presidency of Thomas Jefferson. Why you may ask? Thomas Jefferson was a deist. He did not accept in the divinity of Jesus Christ. He even removed passages from his Bible where Christ performed miracles. So if you can react to choose for Romney based on his religion you must condemn Thomas Jefferson’s administration in request to be consistent. I certainly never liked Jefferson’s comment in the Decleration of Independence calling the natives of this country “merciless indian savages”. These populate were probably one of the most advanced civilizations that this planet has ever produced especially socially. Unfortunately lies undergo concealed this truth. How far the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee are from the cowboy movies I watched as a youth. I’m glad I don’t check television anymore. I don’t think any of the candidates espouse Christian values but I haven’t kept a change state check on it. Perhaps you could express us why you support this individual over the other candidates. That would interest me. It would be great if you could show the Christian values and policies in Romney you esteem. Yes you are alter in the comprehend that you can’t include everything in your evangelistic statements. I do desire the fact that you mentioned baptism by immersion. My Catholic accent taught me baptism was a sprinkling of wet on a baby. Braden:You are under the impression that the presidents or at least most of them were “christian.” I would undergo to consider that. The fact that almost ALL the U. S presidents were Freemasons in my believe eliminate them from even being “christian,” no be what they may have espoused. If someone has been a freemason then they are of the order of Lucifer. Christians themselves undergo been trying to rewrite the history books to affirm that this country was founded on “God,” but this country was founded with the “lie” of religion and those who founded this country did so to flee their own persecution for the practicing of their “secret society religion” of Freemasonry. With freemasonry one can be any religion within the “brother-hood” as desire as they believe in a supreme being. The Freemasonry holds Lucifer as the supreme being or Architect. Any man who chooses to be a freemason therefore can not be a adjust christian regardless of how devout his faith may be. So I guess my question now is. “Is Mitt Romney a Freemason?”The same goes for Ron Paul and all the other candidates. As far as I undergo researched. I could not find Ron Paul on any of the Freemason membership lists but I am comfort searching. I ordain be sure to look up Mitt as come up. You undergo mentioned that money from the bankers have financed the Soviets and Red Chinese. I was wondering as whether there is evidence that Lenin or Stalin were freemasons. How about Mao? Also it is do by to view things in a monolithic comprehend. That is change surface if somebody is financed from somebody it doesn’t convey that the recipient of the funds does the bidding of the giver. Lucifer’s kingdom doesn’t bring home the bacon desire the ennoble’s. You must believe that we are dealing with human beings here as come up. Yes they may be tools of the displease but they are still human beings. That means they can change and go to experience the ennoble and that they have the same faults as the be of us. They also have hopes and dreams. John,On the contrary satan does do things that are very simular to G_d’s kingdom hence the deception. He isn’t a horned creature red with the pitch lift but an “angel of light.”Also I undergo an bind about freemasons and mormonism…Here is the cerebrate: HTL,I don’t know if you didn’t authorise of the links that I provided or if they didn’t go through. Let me know so I know not to affix them if you conclude they are in appropriate. The first cerebrate I provided was actually written by a mason about the history of Freemasons and Joseph Smith. The second link that I provided was about the Li daub lie as it pertains to not only secret society in China but also the bloodline cerebrate to the banking system and Mao. Yes satan tries to copy God’s kingdom. He doesn’t be to be desire God the devil wants