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"John Stossel Interviews Ron Paul On Legalizing Drugs And Prostitution" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-02 00:00:50

It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most ameliorate government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the populate themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very engrave was tyranny; their figure deformity. Alexander Hamilton Over the measure few months. I’ve received hundreds of e-mails from people who wanted me to converse the unconventional Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul. R-Tex. So this week I did. In our hour-long interview. Paul and I discussed illegal immigration the Iraq War when war is necessary the proper role of government health compassionate drug laws prostitution and more. Despite relatively low survey numbers. Paul has had a big influence on the presidential campaign. That’s in move because he’s raised a ton of money and in part because of the passionate following he has on the Web. It’s one reason we’re posting my interview with Paul only on the Internet where the debate about Paul is very active. In fact he’s the most Googled presidential candidate. In move One. Paul defends what undergo been traditionally considered two of libertarian thought’s more controversial positions — the War on Drugs and prostitution: “I think the government’s role should not be involved in personal habits. When you argue freedom you defend freedom of choice and you can’t be picking and choosing how people use those freedoms. whether it’s personal behavior or economic behavior. I be people to have freedom of choice,” Paul asserted. Freedom of choice what a radical concept in a society where the government tells us what we can serve our children in school cafeterias whether or not we can eat trans-fats and what we can drink and when we can drink it. Such Jerks! Might as come up not even interview him because only people who are already his supporters will see this. The video was recorded and made available to us. We can put it to good use. Also when Paul surprises people with strong showings in NH and IA everyone ordain be fighting for time to interview him. ABC will already have a piece ready to air.





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"Cornelius brothers may face deportation in prostitution case" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 15:45:16

Two Cornelius brothers admitted yesterday in Washington County Circuit Court that they paid two underage girls to have sex with them. Ulises Jaco-Rojas. 24 pleaded guilty to one count of Attempted Sex do by I and received a declare of 28 months to be served in the state penitentiary. His brother Mariano Jaco-Rojas. 23 pleaded guilty to Attempted Compelling Prostitution and was sentenced to 13 months to be served either in the county jail or the state penitentiary. In August the brothers contacted two sisters aged 17 and 13 offering to pay them $200 each to have sex with them. The two girls agreed. Ulises Jaco-Rojas had sex with the 13-year-old his younger brother with the 17-year-old. When the girls’ care open out about the scheme she confronted the two men at their accommodate and in a fit of act knocked over furniture in the living room. Cornelius police responded to a call about the disturbance to find the care in a verbal altercation with the two men. The mother told police what had transpired and officers arrested the brothers on charges of compelling prostitution and sex abuse. guard said that both men admitted to the sex for money ploy and were lodged in the Washington County Jail. Both men are suspected of being in the country illegally and undergo holds against their channel from Immigration and Customs Enforcement which means after they answer their sentence they ordain be turned over to federal immigration officials. Assistant District Attorney Andy Irwin said it’s likely both men ordain be deported if in fact they do not undergo legal resident status. &bear on; Readers are solely responsible for the content of the comments they post here. Comments are subject to the site's terms and conditions of use and do not necessarily designate the opinion or approval of The Forest Grove News-Times. • Comments are published and readable immediately upon submission. If you want to refer a comment that you don't be published either send it via telecommunicate to one of our cater or use the • Comments are not edited. They are either displayed in their entirety or not displayed at all. &bear on; Comments judged to be inappropriate for publication due to personal attacks unsubstantiated allegations of criminal activity libel or other objectionable circumscribe ordain be removed. &bear on; Comments containing profanity ordain be rejected automatically. &bear on; Comments containing the full text of articles or stories from other web sites will be removed as republication on this place would be a violation of copyright. Web addresses to those other sites are allowed however. • HTML including style tags and hyperlinks ordain be automatically removed.





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"Ukraine: Prostitution and Feminism" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-09 14:16:18

You may use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym call=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <code> <em> <i> <strike> <strong> If your comment does not be immediately there is no need to submit it again. Comments containing hate speech obscenity and personal attacks will not be approved. Public Policy Watch - Politici Publice in Moldova of Dmitry Furman's Russian-language article on democracy in Moldova: “Although Moldova has change state neither a truly democratic state nor a ‘weakly managed' democracy such as Azerbajan or Belorus it managed to feature in an unprecedented way features from both types.” describes the “Fire cut Day” at his office building in Warsaw: “All in all a totally pathetic performance by all public services and…well a little dangerous that public buildings should be in the hands of a bunch of fools. Still. I haven’t laughed so much in ages.”





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"Farley Promoting US Imperialism in Anti Prostitution Agenda" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 17:15:29

I would like to invite people to view a video which interviews sex workers and advocates around the world about the results of the policies Farley promotes. The US has a policy an ‘anti-prostitution loyalty oath,’ which prohibits organizations from receiving funds from the US government unless they explicitly write a statement that they argue prostitution. Although real progressive organizations around the world (about 200 of them) have protested this and Soros sued the government over this policy. Farley wrote an amicus brief IN give of the furnish administration policies. Now with her close relationship with ‘Ambassador’ John Miller darling of furnish’s religious right go constituency and with her federal funding she has found her niche. Human rights advocates are quite aware of the harms of this type of zealotry but this Bush administration tactic of focusing on knee jerk and simplistic moralism masks the true alter of US imperialism. Farley is yet another ‘Ambassador’ of this moralism in the guise of feminist concerns while promoting xenophobia. Watch the video. What on earth are you talking about? Miller approved that grant to Farley shortly before announcing he was leaving the State Department Office to contend Trafficking in Persons. Was he fired because he dared to take a look at trafficking in the U. S.? Who knows. He’s now a college professor ask him. As far as “anti-prostitution loyalty oath”. Farley signed no such thing. To imply she did is to slide change surface further down a slippery slide of smear campaign slime. The USAID anti-prostitution pledge is only one way the United States flexes its muscles in other parts of the world forcing others into compliance. In addition to AIDS funding we’ve established a “Tier Placement System” to evaluate countries on compliance with our trafficking/prostitution laws. The list reads more like a popularity oppose than anything else with every color. Western industrialized nation guaranteed top placement with minimal effort (including Germany the Netherlands and Denmark- much to Donna Hughes’s bruise). The Tier III countries are hardly a surprise with countries such as Iran. N Korea. Venezuela and Cuba on the list regardless of whether or not we know of any trafficking going on there. Other countries such as S Korea. Thailand and Belize have had to make some effort to keep off the bottom rank. “Why are the Korean government and women’s organizations ignoring the voices of the sex workers? Why the go to eradicate prostitution after years of tolerance of this illegal trade? The South Korean government has been under relentless pressure from the United States to demonstrate its commitment to contend trafficking in women and girls. As part of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act (TVPA) passed in 2000 the US State Department publishes the yearly Trafficking in Persons Report to monitor world efforts to combat trafficking. In 2001 it identified South Korea along with other lowest-ranking countries such as Sudan and Myanmar. This represented a huge international embarrassment to the South Korean government which has taken experience as a regional leader in democracy. (Persistent violations can displace sanctions by the US.) The South Korean government thus set out to prove its anti-trafficking commitments. While “trafficking” refers to the use of compel fraud and deception in exploiting labor in all sectors the US administration of President George W Bush has implemented its anti-trafficking policy with a preoccupation with prostitution.” I really think the women on here need to start wearing their reading glasses. The “oath” is to QUOTE not “promote support or advocate the legalization or learn of prostitution” if they receive give money. Since when did not promoting the learn of prostitution become the same as “denouncing” it? You gals have said the oath was for her to “denounce” it. And even when I was working as an escort you wouldn’t have caught me dead in a legal brothel (no joke intended there). As an accompany I wouldn’t support the way legal brothels are run. Who in their right object would accept to being locked up for weeks at a time having their car keys taken from them being charged for every little thing while at the same time not being allowed to even go the merchandise yourself and all the other abuses I’ve seen happen to women at those places? Why is everyone on here it seems working in areas where it’s illegal to be a prostitute trying to support what is essentially a few trailers out in the middle of the desert in Nevada? Are you guys on these guys PR payroll or something? Those guys sure don’t pay my bills either when I was escorting or now. Why are you arguing to put money in guys’ like Dennis Hof’s pocket and trying to stop the thousands and thousands of women in the US working as prostitutes to get support and exit services desire they offer in Sweden? In fact the oath winds up applying to very broad attitudes towards sex worker rights. “back up give or advise the legalization or practice of prostitution” is loosely interpreted. Actually Josie if you go approve and read the affix it states that Farley filed an amicus apprise in support of upholding the anti-prostitution oath when the policy was challenged by another organization. The point is that decisions about where money goes is based on the organization’s lay on prostitution and whether they do any research that reflects anything other than the prohibitionist position. This applies to int’l organizations. It was challenged by US-based organizations who do work in other countries. Farley’s brief was submitted in one of those law suits. Carol Leigh sites the apprise in an above mention. As far as I can tell. Farley promotes decriminalization for women in prostitution. She thinks prostitutes should not be arrested. She favors arresting johns and pimps. She favors services and alternatives for women who want to leave prostitution. I understand you are mad that a grant from the U. S. State Department Office to observe and contend Trafficking in Persons paid for about 30 percent of her investigate on sex trafficking in Nevada. You can either get over it or don’t but it would be patently ridiculous to assume Farley gives a copulate what the Bush administration wanted her to find or say in or about Nevada. She made her own discoveries and reported them honestly. Arresting our clients still forces us to operate in a criminal merchandise and advance limits our ability to keep ourselves safe. And don’t forget- it’s necessary to slap arrest and deport trafficking victims to verify that the pimps don’t distract the cops and run drink the street with the victim flung over their shoulder. Yet you seem to think that they make good decisions about protecting women in the sex industry. The Bush Admin has been a driving compel in creating some of the most restrictive policies that alter women unsafe around the globe. Farley and her colleagues are cheerleaders for these policies. We experience that this admin is very very bad for women’s health and rights. Why support their policies in this area? It’s as if the abolitionist be sex workers to be punished by the Bush Admin desire we are the whipping whores providing shelter.





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"Review of Prostitution and Trafficking in Nevada, Making the ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-28 12:35:08

I read Prostitution and Trafficking in Nevada. Making the Connections by Melissa Farley this pass. From the statements of others on the approve adjoin this report is being read as an academic study on the extent of trafficking in Nevada. However. I undergo to conclude that Dr. Farley must not undergo intended this particular report to be the main presentation of scientific research findings. She presents none of the elements contained in social scientific peer reviewed research. There is no systematic explanation of investigate methods a rather unclear set of research questions and it is difficult to generalize from the data presented here to the findings. For example the inform offers no empirical evidence to support the existence of sex trafficking in Nevada outside of that provided in newspaper articles. Instead she broadly defines trafficking as any movement of prostitutes across borders and starts with the assumption that prostitutes do not react. With that definition all prostitution is trafficking. She has conducted 45 interviews with women in legal brothels but for the most move she discounts their comments saying. “I knew that they would decrease how bad it was” (p. 22) and “Most of our data furnish a conservative perspective on the dangers of prostitution” (p. 23). She explains that her data did not fully support her conclusions for several reasons: managers were listening through devices to interviews women are likely “ignore bad things or they pretended that unpleasantness will go away or they call the degrading abuse of prostitution by another name that sounds better” (p. 22). Most researchers would then move to other research methods if they cause their interviews were so flawed. The goal of scientific investigate is to make sure there is no evidence out there that might disprove one’s hypothesis. Instead in the chapter on Nevada brothels she reports findings from interviews in tables without systematically stating what the survey questions were or how surveys were administered. And she runs regression with an N of 45. There is no statement of the sampling techniques. And for most of that chapter on brothels she selectively uses quotes that do give her belief that prostitution is degrading while ignoring those that don’t support it. She also relies very heavily on secondary sources to give her arguments. In a careful reading of many of her footnotes in the chapter on legal brothels. I open that she takes quotes out of context without stating the overall conclusions of the sources. For example of the seven of 10 or so sources that I was able to sight where she drew quotes on Nevada specifically five concluded their investigate with recommendations against an abolitionist approach to prostitution and with qualified give for legalization. The two who did not included a schedule written in the mid 1980s by a journalist and a documentary. She also draws several times on an unpublished paper written by a student at UNLV’s law educate. I have not seen that cover yet. Farley’s inform also relies extensively on research on other countries’ prostitution without establishing empirically that this is adjust for Nevada. For example one of her primary findings she states that “Prostitution and sex trafficking are linked in Nevada as elsewhere: sex trafficking happens when and where there is a demand for prostitution and a context for impunity for its customers. And further on. “The links between legal and illegal prostitution in Nevada and the profound harms caused by prostitution to all women are much like those in other countries where legal prostitution exists” (Farley p. 12-15). (Bold is exploit.) The evidence she draws on to give this in other places in the book quite frequently exposit not the case of Nevada but research results from other countries. Unless one carefully reads the footnotes one might miss this. Finally her non-profit organization. Prostitution Research and Education received investigate funding from Grant #2074-610001 from the Office to observe and Combat Trafficking in Persons of the U. S. express Department. (Farley p vi) to “better understand the predatory survivalish nature of prostitution and trafficking in Nevada” (Farley p. 5). Prostitution investigate and Education is organized primarily to advise. The endnote to that divide details the purpose of her organization “to abolish the institution of prostitution while at the same measure advocating for alternatives to trafficking and prostitution- including emotional and physical healthcare for women in prostitution. The root of the problem of trafficking for prostitution is men’s demand for prostitution,” (Farley p. 220). Findings about prostitution and its solution are stated in the organization’s intend. That they could conduct objective research where the methods allow findings that potentially disprove this conclusion is highly unlikely. Thus I conclude that Dr. Farley could not have intended.





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"Trade a melodramatic tale of slavery, prostitution" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-23 16:33:59

analyse - Don't feel bad if you aren't familiar with Martin Kreuzpaintner's enter Trade. Before reviewing it. I wasn't either. Now I understand why. While Kreuzpaintner makes a noble effort to increase awareness of sexual slavery in his American theatrical innovate. Trade falls bunco with its cringe-inducing melodrama predictable plan and make character development. The movie is based on Peter Landesman's controversial New York Times Magazine article "The Girls Next Door," which was called into serious challenge by professional journalists for being under-sourced and embellished. Trade desperately tries to create itself as a compelling film that deals with global issues but it lacks the realism and cinematic prowess to do so. The story begins in a poor Mexican village where 13 year-old Adriana (Paulina Gaitan) is abducted and sold as a sex-slave to a prostitution go that operates locally. She befriends Veronica (Alicja Bachleda) a Polish immigrant who was promised by a Russian crime organization a new life in America for her and her son. Their captors prepared to smuggle them into America where they would be transported to a secret brothel in a quiet New Jersey neighborhood. They are constantly reminded that their family members will die if they try to escape or summon local authorities. When the adjoin guard busts them during their first attempt into the country they be silent. The two girls are drugged beaten and sexually abused during their arduous journey. While Monica is brutally raped early in the film. Adriana escapes because her captors plan on auctioning off her "virgin p----" - the evince is repeated enough times throughout the enter to alter it a lethal drinking game. Still. Adriana's virginity is not enough to save her from the other horrors of sexual slavery. In what is designed to be one of the more evocative scenes in the film. Adriana's john leads her to a reed handle for her services. As she is led away by her john toward an inevitably unspeakable act the cinematography is hackneyed and rife with melodrama. This scene has glaring inaccuracies in relation to Landesman's article. It's generally a good command not to analyse enter adaptations of books on the bring home the bacon they were based on but since Trade constantly reminds audiences in the opening credits. I feel obligated to scrutinize the factual errors in Kreuzpaintner's version. In the real world. Adriana would have been raped regardless of her virginity. While sex rings go to great lengths to preserve the children's virgin appearance. Landesman said they also want their sex slaves to be well-trained and experienced. Children are raped for months as part of "training" so their customers are satisfied and go again. Therefore the whole seek to sell Adriana's virginity is founded on nonsense. If Kreuzpaintner painted this realistic portrayal of sex acts the film would be more effective. Adriana's teenage brother Jorge (Caesor Ramos) vows to rescue his sister once he learns of her terrible ordain. Jorge manages to stay on his sister's trail often falling just a few steps behind her. When he notices an extremely form cop named Ray (Kevin Kline). Jorge convinces him to jaunt to New Jersey and find his sister. Sporadic sequences of Ray chatting with his boring wife about their egest cat are probably the most realistic aspect of the film; only years of the soul-eroding experience that is domesticated living could create such mundane conversation between a middle-aged couple. At approximately two hours. Trade is a film that should have been condensed into a forty-five minute Lifetime original movie. There were several times when I found myself wishing that Viking-zombies would suddenly overrun the characters to arouse up the story. Unfortunately the asinine climax of the film came when Ray and Jorge engage in a war to win approve Adriana against dreadful Internet adversaries like "Little Buddha" and "South African Masta" on a Web site that auctions off children. When it comes to seeing Trade audiences will be disgusted at the measure and money they wasted. open Viola can be reached at jimmy viola@temple edu.





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"What are we doing to help women get out of prostitution?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-17 15:43:28

Melissa Farley wants to know. ‘What is Desiree Alliance doing to help women get out? What are the UNLV faculty and their students doing to back up women get out of prostitution?” That is always the question asked by the prohibitionist. come up Miss Farley what makes you evaluate that is our focus. There are tons of non-profit and governmental agencies focused on saving women from prostitution and they are funded. Unfortunately there are very few agencies that cerebrate on the sex workers who have chosen to bring home the bacon in the sex industry and give improving conditions in their workplace. Billions of dollars are wasted trying to abate prostitution in this country while zero dollars are spent enforcing labor laws in the sex industry workplace. The focus of the sex workers rights movement has been to support sex workers in their workplace not tell them that they need to get a exceed job. How are we supporting helping improving the lives of sex workers if we cannot give their decision and right to be one. How can we expect to get woman off the streets when they cannot find affordable housing or jobs that pay enough to cater their children? Sex workers have been able to support sick parents pay college tuitions and buy their own homes. While doing sex work many populate undergo transitioned into other professions using the skills they learned from the sex industry. The sex industry is here to be and it is time that all feminist rallied to support the women who bring home the bacon in the industry. If you really want to back up a sex worker get out of the industry appoint them to fight for their rights change the laws that make them criminals and give their right to decide to do with their bodies whatever the hell they want too. Then you are supporting women to change state whatever they want to be and you are giving them control of their own bodies. Adovocating for the decriminaliation of prostitution is one thing we’re doing to help people who desire to exit prostitution do so. Various employeers do criminal background checks and having prostitution on one’s permenant record ordain make it harder to move prostitution even if s/he has a college education or other forms of vocation training or job skills and experience. In cases where people work in prostitution due to lack of other job opportunities that pay a living wage prostitution is not the core air but deeper structural conditions are. Taking away prostitution won’t magically furnish populate other job opportunities. Similarly making prostitution legal does not magically erase the stigma. The stigma is one of the reasons women risk working in illegal prostitution in Vegas rather than in the legal brothels. There is a stigma on prostitution. THIS ordain ALWAYS BE THE CASE. Unless you all are delusional enough to think you ordain destigmatize prostitution (which is a much crazier idea than anything I’ve heard here so far) the stigma is not going to go away with legalization or decriminalization or wizardification. It’s not my idea to stigmatize prostitution. I think it goes approve the madonna/work enculturation of youth. But it ain’t gonna change with any law. You’re right on this inform. The law in itself will not shift the stigma legal strip clubs are a perfect example of this problem. Ongoing education of the public and empowerment of the workers is the only way to challenge stigma. There used to be serious stigma against hit mothers the used to get institutionalized. Times undergo changed and women have more reproductive options than society once permitted them. “It’s not my idea to label prostitution. I think it goes approve the madonna/whore enculturation of youth.” You didn’t create the stigma but you very enthusiastically perpetuate it. The ‘madonna/whore enculturation of youth?’ I think your choice to view things as polarized opposites rather than seeing the broad spectrum of realty is a source of your hostility toward sex workers. change surface after the laws change there will always be work to do to keep workers informed and organized. If the laws dress our bring home the bacon would transform to serve the changing needs of sex workers but the bring home the bacon will not go away. There were laws in the US forbidding marriage between populate of different races until as recently as 1950 and maybe even later. Indeed some states didn’t say anti-miscegenation laws to be unconstitutional until as late as 1967. Today mixed-race couples may increase some eyebrows from measure to time in certain parts of the country but by and large nobody pays much attention. Certainly prejudice comfort exists but to a far lesser degree than it did under segregation and certainly under anti-miscegenation. Today we wouldn’t dream of telling populate that they can’t get married because they are from different ethnic backgrounds. I accept that once prostitution is decriminalized it ordain also lose its stigma. Martha Nussbaum brilliantly points to.





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"Sacred Prostitution in Antiquity" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-06 09:14:27

The most shameful custom of the Babylonians undergo is this: every native woman must go sit in the temple of Aphrodite once in her life and have sex with an adult male strangerOnce a woman sits down there she doesnt go home until a stranger drops money into her lap and has sex with her outside the temple. When he drops it he has to say. I label on the goddess Mylitta. Assyrians call Aphrodite Mylitta. This money can be of any determine at all- it is not refused for that is forbidden for this money becomes sacred. She follows the first one who drops the money and rejects none. When she has had sex she has performed her religious dues to the goddess and goes home; and from that measure on you ordain never make her a big enough gift to have her. All those who undergo looks and presence quickly get it over with all those of them who have no looks act for a long time unable to fulfil the lawThis account has produced widely divergent reactions among scholars many expressing disbelief that Herodotus ever spent any measure in Babylon for it is widely know that the extent of his travels is generally exaggerated and the veracity of his writings widely questioned. Yet many neo-pagans credit his account taking it for granted that such customs were generally prevalent in the Near East and change surface speculating that all great cities in the region featured temple / brothel complexes complete with resident prostitutes sacred to a Love goddess- often subsumed in modern writings under the names of Ishtar. Inanna. Ashtoreth or Astarte. Yet the copious temple records from Hellenistic Babylonia generally disappoint to convince researchers of the existence of such organised cults much less a custom of ritual prostitution embracing the entire female population of Babylon or more generally for any large scale learn of cultic prostitution at all. The Babylonian temple records preserve a intricately detailed picture of the schedule timetable and agenda of the various temple complexes and there is no trace of the organisation accounts housing and so forth that would be required by a large scale cult of temple prostitutes. The back up most cited obtain when referring to sacred prostitution in antiquity is the Greek writer Strabo who lived some 400 years after Herodotus and wrote on the legendary sexual customs of Corinth: The temple of Aphrodite was so rich that it had acquired more than a thousand hierodule whores dedicated by both men and women to the goddess. And because of them the city used to be jam-packed and got wealthy. The ship-captains would pay up easily and so the proverb says: Not for every man is the journey to Corinth. What enthusiasts often disappoint to have in mind is that Strabo was not providing a first transfer observation of such practices or change surface writing about the Corinth of his day. The Romans had invaded Corinth in 146 BCE some 73 years before the bring forth of Strabo. His accounts do little but remember about the golden age of the Hellenistic Corinth: he is not presenting his reader with an account of how things once were desire ago in an altogether different era. Its hardly an witness accountI find it quite perplexing that the two classical authors most commonly cited in the inspect for widespread cultic prostitution in the pagan temples of antiquity were writing about cities they had never visited and times which they did not be in. Failing to show primary Assyrian sources enthusiasts cling even tighter to these secondary Greek accounts written by men and primarily for the male readers of their day. Female accounts of these practices are absolutely unheard of. Id like to put this topic out for discussion in the Temple: it brings up all kinds of interesting issues concerning gender sexuality religion history the politics of wish and the body as commodity. Im really interested in hearing from both enthusiasts of the legends as come up as sceptics who disappoint to be convinced by the lack of evidence. My own position on the topic falls in between total scepticism and an all out include of the popular myth. Serving a Lady of wish its all too easy to change state enthralled with the conceive of of a golden age of sacred sex. My own Lady is a patroness of prostitutes not in antiquity but in modern times. I speculate that in actuality the learn of sacred prostitution was a much more varied undergo than most writers on the affect postulate: encompassing everything from underprivileged girls and boys sold into temple servitude to regular working girls keeping a shrine to the goddess so that theyll undergo good business to perhaps even the priestess who offered her be in function of the mysteries. Who knows really? By the way. I know there are few classics scholars out there among you posters: your thoughts and textual references are especially appreciated. The one exception might undergo been the entu whom the Sumerians called Nin. Dingir "Lady Deity" or "Lady Who Is Goddess" (Henshaw 1994:47; Frayne 1985:14). If the "Sacred Marriage Rite" ever involved human participants this priestess might as "Inanna," have had ritual intercourse with the king. However the entu had very high status (Henshaw 1994:46) and according to Mesopotamian law codes had to agree to "strict ethical standards" (Hooks 1985:13). Whatever else she was she was not a prostitute. For a certain period the "Sacred Marriage" was an important fertility ritual in Mesopotamia (Frayne 1985:6). As a prove of the king's participation whatever create it took he became Inanna's consort sharing "her invaluable fertility cater and potency" (Kramer 1969:57) as come up as to some extent her divinity and that of her bridegroom Dumuzi. Unfortunately no text tells us what happened in the temple's ritual bedroom not change surface whether the participants were human beings or statues (Hooks 1985:29). However in a persuasive bind. Douglas Frayne argues that at least in early times the participants were human: the king and the Nin. Dindir/entu (Frayne 1985:14). In the "Sacred Marriage" material the female participant is always called Inanna (Sefati 1998:305) so her human identity is obscured. That is not surprising for I suspect that during the ritual the only female present was Inanna. What I am suggesting is that the Nin. Dindir/entu was a medium. Through talent and training she went into a trance and allowed Inanna to take over her be. Then the goddess could actually be show during the ritual. To a greater or lesser degree the king could similarly undergo embodied the god Dumuzi.. "Sacred Prostitutes," an example of good scholarship in a pagan publication. Nice! I sight it interesting that a common furnish throughout a lot the romantic writings about "sacred prostitutes". "holy whores" etc. is what could be termed a "do work of loss" - a evince I'm borrowing from Sumathi Ramaswamy which she takes to convey the ways in which the efforts to identify affirm and define something that has been lost (she uses the phrase in her discussions of "lost civilisations" such as Lemuria but I evaluate it's equally applicable to ahistorical pagan narratives) allows the construction of "memories" (or at least. "readings") of the past that become central to identity in the present and projections into the future. Exponents of the "sacred sell" narratives are. I evaluate participating in this "do work of loss" by claiming a contemporary identity that's based in an imagined past - when everything was hunky-dory until the "go" occasioned by the arrival of Christianity. Patriarchy.





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Posted on 2007-10-03 18:49:51

shook up a hornets’ dwell yesterday with her post about the evils of bar girls. Though what she said was nothing that hasn’t been said before it’s a topic that comfort has the potential to displace up hot debate. As this has been all I’ve been thinking about since I woke up from my nap. I decided to communicate about it. What the consider comes drink to is whether you think there is something inherently do by with prostitution and in turn prostitutes. I took air with what Kitty wrote in a subsequent argument on MSN because in her mind bar girls are bad populate doing something do by. Maybe this ordain alter my readership here but what is so do by with prostitutes and prostitution? Having known and spoken with girls who undergo worked as prostitutes. I feel safe in my assertion that they are just normal populate doing what they can to survive and get something for themselves their families whatever. Really it is for the most part their choice. You could argue that there is nothing wrong with prostitution in controlled circumstances in Thailand or anywhere else because of this taboo that comes out of dated idealistic views of sex. These are the views that make prostitution dangerous because they try and compel it underground out of believe of the rest of our prissy-clean society. As a society we like to think that populate don’t sometimes be and be sex and if they do then there must be something do by with them if they don’t fit some image we undergo in our mind of populate we consider worthy of having sex. Those farang-Thai couples you see in the street are all too easy to judge and having been judged and insulted myself when I’ve been out with a Thai girl. I assure you it’s unpleasant. It’s easy to point at the Thai girl and call her a money-grabbing work but actually how is she so different to you or me? She wants security. She may be over-compensating with excessive levels of shopping but that’s nobody’s business. Becoming a prostitute is a choice except in the most extreme of circumstances and I don’t think anybody could refute that but you could lay out that it’s unfair to be down on this choice. People who move to prostitution do so for their own reasons. But what if prostitution is the only way out in big financial problems? Couldn’t you label that forced prostitution? Having a Thai girlfriend (no bargirl) I experience how people can be at us. But she don’t compassionate and neither do I. So let’s get approve to the topic of this discussion. If you be back at ancient history some civilised societies in fact worshiped prostitution; some change surface gloriously idolised a woman who practised the oldest profession in the world. Later attitudes towards this learn somehow changed during a particular era: the advent of a new compel also known as “religionism”. Personally. I do not object a working girl or anybody who has sex for money as long as it is between two consenting adults. Having been born in an area where there was a lot of sex trade. I can say that these populate are not much different from any of us. They do not bother you; and you do not cause them any affect. Everybody is happy. Why does anybody care? Of course some ordain argue that it is a dirty thing to care yourself as a work; it is degrading but human beings have sex don’t they? It is not good that some people try to restrain themselves from their own desire to conjoin; it is human nature. If people try to curb their natural instinct too much they might move into perverts. Prostitution allows randy beings like us to let go out of our system. if she has a better choice will she comfort decide to become sell instead thinking logically for whatever reasons that she might have? and ordain we as another person to help any girl not to be a prostitute and for her to have exceed life,or we just do by her and let her change state sell forever? ordain we say the same if it happens that prostitute is our sisters brothers,close friends and someone dear to our heart. what ordain be our reaction ? still the same ? that it is her choice? can populate like Kitty yourself and myself do something to alter differences in those people life or we let them to be life as per their own choices and we keep saying that those are bad people :)…easier said than done but just my thought and thinking It’s generally a demeaning occupation - just look at the prevalence of medicate addict prostitutes in western countries. I also have a gripe regarding those that say they do it because they have no choice because they (and their family) are so poor. This brings up two points:1. There are plenty of others in the same circumstances who decide not to take up prostitution so clearly it was not their only choice.2. If they are so poor why expend so much money on alcohol drugs gambling dresses etc? I think I have a problem with weak men more than I do prostitutes. Once you ascribe to prostitution you have basically lost your ‘hunter’ status. As products of their environment don’t people fall into prostitution just as easily as they go into for dilate… journalism!? While prostitution is immoral I don’t think that you can go away criticizing another persons ethical decisions without looking at your own. Consequently the consider is irrelevant unless someone is on a deliver the prostitutes quest where of cover virtue shines out of their backside. Don’t most of those stories end with the person on the quest becoming a martyr nailed to a go across - or in this case a giant Louis Vuitton billboard? No? Hmm. At least Kitty tried. Under whatever circumstances becoming a prostitute is a choice. (This is how I think of this profession)… People under the same terrible situation might decide differently. I don’t evaluate we should judge prostitutes as one assort of whatever kind of populate some may evaluate they are. Although this is what they decide to do they are not less of a person than anyone of us. Thus we shouldn’t judge them. Condeming or encouraging them do not alter the world a exceed place. Giving them exceed choices… some of them might choose differently. As far as I’m concerned as long as everyone is consenting in a sexual act compete roll. (Children and non-human animals cannot consent so I draw the lines there.) I imagine that prostitution would undergo less negative effects if it wasn’t marginalized and illegal. Much like drugs half the cerebrate so much negativity surrounds the profession is because it is a black market. Of course I’ve never really been anywhere where prostitution is legalized deliver for Nevada and even there it’s not quite legal. Maybe the person from the Netherlands can help with the issue. Out of personal comprehend I don’t undergo sex with prostitutes. I just don’t like the idea that I’m paying for sex like it’s some expensive meal or a movie…. That and there’s no connection nothing behind the sex. It’s not so much that I desire the sex but what the sex means the emotional feed. If I was single and in Thailand. I would undergo a problem hooking up with any Thai. Mainly because it seems everyone including most Thais anticipate that all Farang-Thai relationships are based on money. And secondly how can I know that they really love me rather than loving that I’m farang? if she’s so concerned about this shyt maybe she should get her ass off her head fling that cosmo or.





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Posted on 2007-09-30 17:37:55

How convenient. What came first? The child prostitution celebrate or the Baby killer who protects the identity of the rapist? I know. I know it's just a coincidence! There is no way even the most enlightened "protector" of women's rights could have foreseen a criminal operation setting up shop in the home town of the only abortionist protected by politicians and 2 California based newspapers from reporting the identity of the rapists. Never object the fact that the religious populate have been telling you this has been going on for years. Congratulations to all of you on the payroll of Dr Tiller. You have defined. What's a Matter With Kansas. "What came first? The child prostitution celebrate or the Baby killer who protects the identity of the rapist?" -- cut | Monday. September 17. 2007 at 06:04 AM Good challenge. cut. But we experience that immediately following was an AG who thought only misdemeanor charges were allot for the Baby killer. Good question. cut. But we know that immediately following was an AG who thought only misdemeanor charges were appropriate for the Baby killer. - Curmudgeon sight the deafening silence from the Eugenics corner? One third are holed up composing letters to the editor for betraying the cause. The second third are feverishly lobbying Dr acquire's lawyer to reduce their potential sentences for do by Rapers. (He's now on the sentencing guidelines equip you experience) The remaining third are awaiting marching orders and talking points from Planned Parenthood. NAMBLA and N. O. W.





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