I wanted to be available to Todd if he needed advice. I had no agenda other than to see what was happening in Lakeland continue and to see Todd nurture this revival successfully. I wish I had known that he was struggling in his marriage but unfortunately. I did not.
{No it was perfect timing for the apostolic agenda. Absolutely perfect. Todd had nothing much to lose as he had already been exposed and Lakeland had shut down based on the revelations re lies and fraud! Throw this in and suddenly people start to feel sorry for him to pray for his marriage instead of rebuking him for his fraud, and forget the real reasons why he and Lakeland was criticised and closed down and Todd is questioned and not the revival. Restoration is also offered as a solution to get him back on the road. And the apostles get seen as heros and get promoted and the real issues at Lakeland are forgotten. It is genius. Deliberate conniving genius. The timing of the press releases has been timed to perfection bit by bit drip by drip. This was pre-planned!]
In the ongoing secular societies of today sex sins specially sex outside of marriage adultery is personally still taken much too lightly but these sins for Christians also do have real serious negative consequences the disapproval of God clearly indicated now in the Bible. In reality when one has indulged in adultery one has tended to also simultaneously or previously indulged in many other unacceptable sins now too. Over 55 percent of evangelical pastors have committed adultery now too in North America… and it is no wonder they wrongfully tend to counsel divorce too.
Now for decades. I write about deal with key political figures who are all to be exemplary as citizen paid employees too... I observe their acts responses to my letters. and let me tell you that the really bad guys are so predicable and they make it easy for me to look further into what they are really also doing wrong. for bad guys rarely tend to be a little bit pregnant. so there are the basics I look for that will shortly indicate their great downfall!!- their own positive or negative management style are they power hungry control freaks abusers and so I look at their ongoing performance record abuses of others including their discrimination verbal or physical abuses human rights abuses?- their attitude towards money is it normal or have they become greedy gone overboard and so do they cheat lies steal live high on the hog? - yes I even look for religious hypocrisy even also next their adultery cause I know it will predictably happen with the bad guys eventually. Proverbs says this is God’s punishment. likely for stealing poor people’s money or abusing the rights of others. seriously too.- even the type of friends they associate hang around with birds of feathers flock together for we even seem to know that alcoholics love to associate with other alcoholics too etc. Now I have openly written about our PM Stephen Harper too and Todd Bentley and others. even that Todd was hanging around with bad people such as the bad pastors of the Toronto airport Christian fellowship and he was raking in loads of poor people’s money..
Mark 12:38 And in [the course of] His teaching. He said. Beware of the scribes who like to go around in long robes and [to get] greetings in the marketplaces [public forums]. 39 And [have] the front seats in the synagogues and the chief couches (places of honor) at feasts,
And now we add “excessive drinking” into the mix which of course Bentley was supposedly miraculously delivered from at his amazing out of the ordinary conversion experience. More of his rotten fruit that needs to be preserved. Not the fruit of the Spirit of course which includes Self-Control. But I suppose it probably is the fruit of the spirit under which he operated. Do you suppose any of this crowd will ever open their eyes?
Rick Joyner in the history and future of the present revival part 6 says of his visit to Lakeland:“They came to get me to sit on the platform and it was interesting how the anointing seemed different there. It was still good but different. Even so. I enjoyed seeing Todd and a number of other friends I had not seen in a while. When Todd came over and put his arm around me it was a hug but I also felt I kind of needed to hold him up. He is under the kind of anointing that does stagger you and actually makes you feel drunk which is why they thought the disciples on the day of Pentecost were drunk with wine. Under this kind of anointing I knew Todd would not be able to do some of the in-depth teaching and preaching he is capable of but I don’t think that is the purpose of Lakeland anyway.”
This has been both funny and sad at the same time. Funny in that it is amazing how the Lord will weed out all these charlatans and expose them for the frauds they truly are. With Todd there was never any brokenness or contrition over his sin and as far as I’m aware there still isn’t. He spoke more about his angel (demon) Emma than he did about Christ!
But the saddest part about all this is the lack of discernment in the church today. How so many could be deceived and led astray by this guy is beyond me. But I guess Scripture is just proven true again. 2Tim 4:3-4 “For the time is coming when people will not endure sound doctrine but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.”
Rick Joyner and the others are not being honest with themselves nor are they being honest with the people. No one should follow them. There is no annointing with them nor has there ever been. We must speak the truth because the Lord does have a standard that will not be violated no matter how they try to jusitfy validate or reason it out. Bentley has no indepth teaching nor is he qualified to preach. He was having marital troubles before the lakeland thing and the drinking and God knows what all has be going on. How do we know he has been with a woman? Because of his background how do we know there isn’t homosexuality involved? Just what are they covering up?? in the name of their so called revival? Paul Cain is still being asked to preach and remember Paul Cain was flown down to lakeland by bentley. Paul Cain has never made it right with those who were over him from his own homosexuality. This is abhorant and yes I agree a major investigation should be done. I think it is getting to the place where those who do fear God are starting to realize just how serious this is and are coming together to pray. I wonder how many preachers who have molested children are still loose because people were afraid to call the police and turn them in? We need strong Leaders to start calling for severe accountability. “Know those who labor among you. Paul said there should not even be a hint of sin or sexual sin among you. Instead they accuse those who are calling for holiness and rightiousness they are saying we are judging this is serious what is it going to take?????? from Joyce.
God made a covenant with King David. He made a covenant of his sure mercies which is fullfilled through Jesus Christ. Acts 13. We must remember that when David sinned he repented and he never did it again. He never committed adultry nor did he murder again after his repentance. He was contrite and broken he truly repented. It is a Godly sorrow that leads to repentance not laughter. God saw Davids heart and he made this covenant with David because he would humble himself and truly repent. We need preachers of rightiousness right living preachers who are preaching repentance calling the people to this right living leading people to the real annointing of Godly sorrow true repentance is the most awesome thing bringing the fruits of rightiousness. Peace. Love Joy all the fruit of the spirit. Jesus said he would send the Comforter to us the Spirit of Truth. This Spirit of Truth leads us to a repentant heart. In the old testement they offered blood sacrifices for the sins. This was a serious thing even if the priests weren’t right they would fall down dead and the cord around their ankles would drag them out of the Holy of Holies. Now our Savior Jesus Christ is the final Sacrifice for our sins this should never ever be taken lightly. Knowing his goodness to us his Love that took him to the cross this awesome committment to mankind leads us to want to repent. It is only through true repentance can we gain access to Him. Preachers have left this teaching and are not having alter calls nor preaching repentance to the people the Lukewarm church is having programs and shows instead of real preaching of truth. Oh the Blood of Jesus. Oh the Blood of Jesus Oh the Blood of Jesus that washes white as snow. Lord we need you as never before move upon your people lead us to True repentance and right living lead people out of darkness into your marvelous Light. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Lord let us be like Noah let us be found faithful to you. In Jesus name from Joyce.
While not pointing directly at Todd Bentley and Lakeland anyone with a thimble full of discernment knows that he and the national leadership were warning people to first line the Lakeland “Thing” up with the Word. And stay away. Notice That Not 1 A/G National Leader was ever On The Stage.
Let us all pray for Todd’s marriage to be truly restored. That he is delivered from all the false impartations he has received from all these false apostles and prophets!(They have proven their own falsehood by having no discernment and laying hands on Todd suddenly without test of his life–CHARACTER MUST BE ESTABLISHED FIRST–THEN THE GIFT RECOGNIZED AND RELEASED) we in the American church go after the GIFT first and then perhaps maybe rarely later we look into the character) Also that Todd’s eyes will be opened to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ and not the waked out false gospel of Bob Jones. Dr. Wagner and the rest of these self proclaimed apostles and prophets.
Finally all of you so-called apostles paying your dues to Wagner to keep your apostleship will one day stand as we all will before Jesus Christ to be judged by Him. You may want to ask yourself in this case. “What did I do to Heal both Todd. His Marriage. And the Body of Christ At Large?”I am praying for you all not my will but the God’s will be done.
I shared alot today but I have something more I would like to share. Jesus said his sheep hears his voice. He would lead the sheep beside still waters. The shepherd leads his sheep protects them from wolves and preditors he sometimes will use his staff to break the legs of those sheep who continually go astray and put themselves in danger. He does this and then he holds that sheep in his arms lovingly. He binds up those breaks and nurses that sheep back to health. He loves his sheep. There is so much more that the shepherd does to help protect and nuture his sheep. How much more in the body of Christ. Yet there are dire warnings in the word from Ezekeil to Malachi that shepherds are scattering the sheep that wolves and jackals are devouring the sheep. That the Lord himself will come and be the shepherd. I know this is old testament for Israel but I wonder if is also to the modern day church? Shouldn’t the sheep lie beside still waters to restore their soul??? Psalm 23. The Lord is my shepherd. He leads me beside still waters. There is an epidemic of sexual sins in the body of Christ. I myself personally witnessed. I walked in the act of a molestation of my son by a church member who in another state had already been in prison for molesting his nephew. He was working for the welfare department in California and was married and had a young child. He was molesting children in the neighborhood. I thank God I walked in on this. I called the police immediatley and my testomony put this man in prison for more than 15 years. The Pastor did not want me to call the police nor did he want his church involved in scandal. He violated a direct order from the judge and while this guy was awaiting his sentancing he allowed this man on the church property around children. The Pastor the Leader the Shepherd who was suppose to protect the sheep. Even the judge said Himself the church should be a safe place and these people were violated. I am sharing this because of my great concern that many are not turning in those who they know have molested or abused because they are afraid to because of their social status or leadership in the community. It is my desire to encourage those who know of this criminal behavior to get the courage to step up and do what is right. But I believe it goes a step further. How many jail or prison cells have to be filled with sexual preditors. My heart crys for a move of God to bring deliverance and repentance true deliverance and true repantance to these people. Jail or Prison controls those who can’t control themselves. Oh how we need real Godly leaders to preach genuine truth to the people to bring the sheep beside the still waters to comfort the people. Comfort my people prepare the way strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Help us Lord to be your instruments to bring your will and your way. In Jesus name from Joyce
endtimes. I think you are right. I pray anyone who reads this knows something to come forward and please contact legal authorities since he is a Canadian citizen the most important thing is to protect children and people. People seem to be afraid to confront any spiritual leader because of the scriptures being constantly thrown at them of “touch not mine annointed” what they need to understand is that according to the new testament teachings we are all kings and priests everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord and is saved. We are all the same in Christ. Here is an excellant article explaining this This touch not mine annointed is used by false teachers and cults as a means to control people and instill fear into them. It is time for the truth to be told. Thank you God bless from Joyce.
I happened to follow one of your links to you-tube(the one about the Bentley divorce. I think). If I read or hear one more supposed Christian warn us all not to “judge lest we be judged”–I think I will throw up. As I stated in my comment at you tube –many people actually think Christians who exercise discernment are worthy of a greater punishment than a false prophet,false Apostle false teacher,liar adulterer etc. Those people are going to end up following the Antichrist without blinking an eye!I do not believe there is a biblically literate soul among them. Can someone tell me why they never quote Paul commanding the Corinthians to cast a sinning brother OUT!If God says we are someday going to judge Angels and HE does say that then we sure better be judging what is grossly false among us. I sure hope some of God’s fleeced flock take your posts seriously.
Thank you Victoria and Deborah. I do hope and pray they take this seriously. Our family had a wake up call when this happened to us. Church as we knew it wasn’t a safe place anymore trust was violated and children were abused. Thank God I was able to think for myself and not listen to my Pastor because he asked me not to testify in court if the mans mother showed up there. I got on my knees and told the Lord I had to do what was right in my heart and that was to testify. I did with shaking knees but He was sentanced to 15 years. I would do again today to protect the little ones. This turned my whole world upside down church as I knew it wasn’t church anymore and this began a new journey for us. My testimony is that the Lord never left us nor did he forsake us through this and we left this denomination. Jesus was and is faithful and true no matter the circumstances. Our God is an awesome God. I can’t praise him enough for his goodness and mercy to us. We were able to get our son counsiling and now 22 years later he has been married for 17 years raising a beautiful daughter and I praise the Lord for this. We are now doing bible studies about the whole church system as we know it. I believe a great change is happening. For one thing. Jesus didn’t come from the tribe of Levi. He came from the tribe of Judah which means praise. By the way true worship and praiseis not barking like dogs and crowing like chickens. There is a true worship that comes from a heart that has repentant and broken before the Lord who comes with a heart of Love and adoration mostley through tears and gentle praise. The fruit of the spirit is gentle peaceful not violant and abusive. We would know them by the fruits. Here is a website I am studying from. There are many more articles there. I have only begun to study this. Because we came from a very controlling legalistic denomination they used the scriptures to control people. It was like people leaving their brains at the door when they came in church. It is appalling that people are so afraid of these leaders they won’t confront them or question anything that is said or done. That is why cults are everywhere now. Men love power more than they Love God. This was never Gods will for his bride the Church. This is why the Bentley thing and lakeland was so dangerous and many more like him there was no accountability nor did anyone question anything he said or did. How can anyone say this revival was annointed when he used the holy bam in the baptism and many other instances too numerous to mention that was said and done even the shirts he wore this should spark such an outcry in the body of Christ. Lord help us to speak truth only your truth in Jesus name amen. From Joyce
A couple of things the title of this blog - prophecy dreams visions etc makes me think this blogger believes the holy spirit is active in the church today in what many have called supernatural ways(eek)!! A line from Arnott about conversions healings and miracles is replied with a - “so do I but from leaders who display powerful gifts but also have integrity” - or something like that anyway. I want to live a life where I love God. I experience his love and where the Holy Spirit works through me where my life is a sign and a wonder that points people to a loving God who died fot them and forgives their sin. I have Todd Bentley books (although I have removed his podcasts from my itunes library and left a facebook group about him) I want to learn from a leader who moves powerfully with God’s strength and gifts but like you I want that leader to be honest and of good character. Do you know of any such leader? Please let me know!!Todd Bentley has upset me. I wait for his apology and repentence but I will never ever ever joke about him being drunk on stage or poke fun by saying maybe his angel told him to have adultery. God made us all sent his son to die for us all and will send his Spirit to live in anyone wh0 is prepared to live for him when people don’t recognise this or fall sort of living with the amazing love God has for us whetever they are christian or not we should feel compassion for that person - we love because we know how much He loves us. Sorry. I have found many of the posts here helpful some I have found distasteful and very unhelpful.
You are right on. I personally e-mailed and strongly encouraged Dr. Wood many times to take a strong stand against Lakeland. I also asked if Strader had been warned or rebuked for allowing this to take place in his church. But. Straders father has a Big A/G church and has friends in the A/G leadership. Sad to say that numbers money and politics reign even in the church and we all know that big churches with “Big-Time pastors” get treated far different than small churches with “servant-pastors” that have to work outside the church to support their families. It makes me sick! I e-mailed Dr. Wood several times encouraging him to take a strong stand against Bentley. Che Ahn. Patricia King etc…NAMING NAMES. Who we know are all false prophets/teachers/apostles. And believe me I know some of them ersonally and have had some interesting encounters.
So. I am right there with you! I feel that while the A/G did at least take a stand it was wimpy. I wanted it to be straight forward and bold and to have Strader warned and if he did not shut it down have his ordination papers pulled immediately!
One Note. Dr. Wood was out of the country when the Lakeland fiasco started. That is not to excuse what happened but being in the A/G I know how things work and they work VERY slowly. I am now asking Dr. Wood what we as the A/G are doing to help heal the thousands damaged by this false circus! And that if he and the executive presbytery would have listened we would now not be sitting ere with egg on our face. But as far as Dr. Wood personally believe me. I have known him almost all my life and he truly is a man of integrity and above reproach. However he sometimes moves on things much more slowly than I personally would like for the sake of the sheep. Maybe I am just too passionate!
One thing on the famous “He who is without sin cast the first stone”. If you study out the Greek from a manuscript Bible and not out of a translation you will find that it should read for us that only understand English. “He who is without “THIS” sin cast the first stone.”And the “Judge not lest you be judge with the SAME judgment”. If you had committed the same sin as the offender you were simply considered unqualified to sit as a judge on the person committing the sin. NOT that you should not judge all the false teaching which can be wrapped up in one word–”BAM” whatever that means in Greek? And also all the multiple other un-scriptural junk going on continually. Forget about all that’s coming out now and that will continue to come out. (I don’t think we have seen the full darkness revealed yet but God will make sure what has been hidden in the dark will be brought to light if there is no repentance). You have more than enough from the very beginning of the Lakeland fiasco to judge discern and say–”This is not of God.”Love In Christ To All,MARK
NOW WATCH WHAT CARY SAYS! “I was told by the Rev. Stephen Strader pastor of Ignited Church where the Florida Outpouring revival began that although his church and denomination (Assemblies of God) have an abstinence rule forbidding consumption of alcohol. Bentley’s Fresh Fire Ministries does not have such a rule which surprised me.”Isn’t it interesting that Strader could so quickly divulge this information.
Dearest Sister Joyce,Thank you for your comments. And I will be praying that all the wounds you received in the abusive church be completely healed. NEVER. NEVER attend a church where the pastor is not under accountability. I desire accountability because I know I am just a man and as such fallible. Our church moves in the power of the Holy Spirit and we have seen many great healings. (verifiable) and all without me as the pastor kicking any of one of them. We believe and practice the gifts of the Spirit along with signs and wonders following those who believe. But it is always lined up with the Word. I personally took over at the request of those I am under in the Lord (Accountable to) a very small church that hadn’t been able to grow and was down to 6 people. Now because the Lord continues to add to the church daily those being saved we are seeing 40-45 in a litle over a year. All without “Saddlebacks formulas” or “Willow Creeks” and Yes I do use the word “SIN” when I preach unlike that guy with the perfect teeth that has the biggest church in America and says (I heard it with my own ears) that he will not use the word sin in his messages. It’s al about living the good life now. Nothing about knowing Christ as Paul desired in the power of His resurrection AND the fellowship of His SUFFERINGS. Anyway. God has grown the church His way in a small coastal town where it was said it couldn’t be done. We are truly experiencing revival people coming to the Lord repentance. People being filled with the Holy Spirit. And we are asking the Lord how to begin to enlarge the sanctuary in a church built in 1952 and never having many people. I said all that to say this in closing. (A Blog Closing not a pastor’s Message closing?)I am personally under 2 men directly in the congrgation. Also. ANYONE in the congregation can question me at any time without being shoot down. I encourage them to take the message and get out their Bible’s and line it up. I want to know if I’m off! After that. I have 2 more men I meet with monthly that I am accountable to. And then many presbyters/elders within the fellowship I am a part of.
Any man or woman that does not only desire but also seeks out accountability should not be given any leadership role within the church. Not wanting accountability shows that they are immature novices. And when a novice is commissioned/ordained all you end up with is a mess with the Body of Christ left questioning and hurting. And. Don’t look to the ones that ordained the novice for your answers for by ordaining a novice they have shown clearly they are at least novices themselves and more. I believe false teachers/prophets/apostles. Get in a good Bible preaching church where the pastor is secure enough to be questioned about anything he says. If he can’t point to it in the Word or apologize for making a mistake to you and the church then. GET OUT! I will be praying for you that the Lord Jesus Christ the Head of His church will lead you to be planted in the local body “He” desires for you to be in. You do know that there is no such thing as “Church Shopping”! People need to ask the Lord. “What local church do YOU want me to become a part of?” And them be obedient. If we did that we would save ourselves a lot of hurt and pain from being in the wrong place(church) because we like the style of the music they play.(Not saying this is what you did in the beginning and being hurt) But you can be at peace when you know you are going where JESUS has told you to go not where you want to go. In Christ’s Love To ALL!MARK
Mark your church sounds great the kind of integrity I’m looking for and a church that encourages people to live for God in the word so that signs and wonders follow. Do you have a church website? Where is this church? Miriam can you in anyway endorse this guy and his church? Sorry Mark you can forgive us all if we are a little bit jumpy when wandering into the gifts of healing/signs following type statements. My fear is that in rejecting Bentley many will sadly reject God’s ability to heal or the idea that believers can act with authority come before the Lord and heal in Jesus’ name. Are there any ministers to would trust to teach gifts/healing minister to your church? It is hard to pray expectantly when either you don’t see it or when you do you know it is faked!!
thank you for your support and prayers. I appreciate it very much. I feel so strongly that it is time to call a prayer assembly across the nation. I hope and pray that the leaders will see this and call for this. I contend that bentley should not have been allowed to preach in the first place at anytime whatsoever at any place. I pray for much healing to take place in those that have been deceived and lied to about this and I do pray that somehow bentley will see his need for salvation repent and go back to canada and get a job and start taking responsibility for his children. I pray for his wife and children. I also pray that if anyone knows something about bentley that warrants the authorities getting involved that they come forward and call them for his souls sake and those who he has lied to and deceived. God bless from Joyce
First of all I pray for those like endtimes and others on here and other websites exposing the darkness fighting the battles. I am so thankful you all have taken the time to do this. I do have a question and I ask this in the fear of God with a sincere heart and no ill will to bentley. But has anyone else here remembered that Bentley flew paul cain to florida and allowed him to preach??? Paul Cain is still being dealt with for his homosexuality and his excessive drinking. Now they have come out with Bentley excessive drinking. The Bible says not to let your good be evil spoken of and to avoid the very appearance of evil. Based on these scriptures. I am very concerned for the fact that paul cain was down there and that they have said that bentley has had trouble in the past. This doesn’t look good and that is why I feel they should do an extensive investigation. Fresh Fires is a cult and so is the prophetive movement as it stands now. Do you think they will tell the whole truth about this???? We need to pray because I keep hearing that people feel that bentley will try to make a come back this should not happen for any reason. Even if he were to get counseling and repent it would be wise and prudent of him to go back to Canada get training and stay under authority and get a job and take care of his wife and children. This is the way I see it. Thank you for letting me post. God bless you all we will pray for all of this from Joyce PS I read where he has been doing this for 10 years that means he was in his early 20’s when he started this is not acceptable nor is it biblical. I am so thankful for so many speaking out against this and speaking truth. I pray many more leaders will come forward and humble themselves and repent publicly to the people.
John Arnott came to Dublin Ireland with his band of merry men and prayed for allOn the stage was Willie Stuart. PastorThere was prophesies etc and all was well. A couple of Years later a letter was found in a bedrom by a mother cleaning same it belogned to a young lad who belonged to the ChurchThe letter was about the relationship willie Stuart was having with the Young LadWillie was caught and had to stand down this was not his first time. The church was shattered and the young people were scattered to the winds and bars of DublinNow my point is that Homosexuals seem to be very common in the circle that Arnott. Wagner and Bentley etc are involved withArnott was supposed to have discernment Why did he not detect what was in Willie Stuart?And like Lakeland it will all go away and be forgotten until the next timeI could go on and on about what I have witnessed but I have kept it short as I don’t want to bore you and the light is bad cannot see key board
William bless you for sharing this this certainly wasn’t boring and what you shared only confirms this. It is very possible they are using the adultry with a woman as a cover up. But is there child molestation involved? I pray that there isn’t. That is why there must be an investigation done by the authorties now that he is in california people can still come forward. I do pray that leaders will come forward and deal with this. William I am so sorry this happened to the this young boy in Ireland. Did the parents of this young lad call the police??? When did this happen it may not be to late. I have felt this about bentley from the beginning especially when he flew paul cain down to florida. This is blatent outright rebellion. I pray that what has been done in secret will be revealed openly for his souls sake. We must continue to pray. God bless you William There is a sexual preditor epidemic in the United Pentecostal church as well they hide it and most are not turned in to the authorities because they are afraid to go against the leadership. This must be shouted from the rooftops the children must be protected. In Jesus from Brenda Lord Jesus bring your cleansing
Got an interesting call today. My friend’s pastors went to Lakeland fro Oregon and came back to “impart” to their flock… Last night the co-pastor got up and apologized for bringing Todd’s teachings back to the church. Then later he prophesied over my friend that she had angels all around her house and she would soon be having angelic visitations!!! Oh brother!
To Joyce - I also was in a church for a long time where there was molestation by pastors and children’s workers alike. After suffering years of that when I was very small I had a few years of repreave. Then when I was in my late teens a pastor hit on me and started kissing me heavily. Said. I’m just being a father to you!!!! That happened with two pastors. Because of my abuse I had no clue until the Lord showed me when I was 21 that it was wrong. I stopped them immediately. Just goes to show how persuasive “christian pastors” can be. Yuk! Yuk! Yuk! By the way both of those pastors lost their pastorate (finally) because someone else exposed them. Wish it had been me. I repented for allowing that even though it took me so long to figure out and am so thankful that the Lord revealed it to me. Oh Lord keep us safe. Blessings
I just found this a few minutes ago please get this to endtimes if she hasn’t seen it yet here is proof positive that the leaders knew of todd bentleys sins and they still let him preach. Now the ones supporting bentley are saying that they called Jesus a wine bibber and a devil to try to prove that those trying to stop this and expose him wrong. Let me say here that I believe in healings and miracles. But not in crusades where big money is involved. There are many miracles happening in quiet places where people pray in many circumstances. God is no respecter of persons he will answer any prayer or hearts cry. Jesus said his house will be called a House of Prayer not a den of theives. May God help us. Lord you said the gates of hell will not prevail against your church. I do not believe men should be singled out as some great prophet or leader but all should walk if reverent fear and humility before the Lord.\ What I saw on videos in Lakeland was arrogence pride self will sin deception lies defiance and a whole host of other stuff. The deception is great because it gives the appearance of God. In the dream I had the man looked like Jesus but he was not Jesus. He said many false Christs would come that means many saying they are preaching truth and are not. Many are offended at those who want to expose the falsehood because they don’t want the Light to shine into the darkness and expose it. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor effeminate nor abusers of themselves with mankind. 1Co 6:10 Nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor revilers nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God.1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed but ye are sanctified but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. God bless from Joyce
there needs to be something posted on the violence of todd bentley. Out of his own mouth on utube he spoke of beating his own mother denying that he broke her arm when his family accused him of it. Could you please post a list of those false leaders who have endorsed todd bentley and also the false teachers? I want to make sure I don’t read anything nor endorse anything they do. I am so glad I had said from the beginning bentley should not have ever been allowed to preach. I did not know of his beatings of his mother. Even if he had gotten saved he should have never been allowed to preach ever for any reason. There are no words to discribe the disgust abhorrance of this. He beat his own mother. There also have been no personal response by bentley himself for his current conduct in Lakeland. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up in jail. His violence is unacceptable from joyce
Wow. I would like to leave a comment that I personally went to Lakeland and quite enjoyed it. I found it both refreshing and encouraging. I find that all of you have a lot to say and very little compassion and mercy to pour out. As someone who went to Lakeland enjoys John Arnotts. Bill Johnsons. Rick Joyners and Todd’s ministry I feel that I would have a better reason to be hurt and threatened than any of you. As many of you never accepted his ministry I find it entertaining that you spend so much time discrediting him and those around him. I esteem honesty integrity and holiness as something to strive for. I do not understand why END TIMES rails so much on Todd. I look forward to any and all responses and will challenge any response on points of condemnation. I believe that we (as the church) are exhorted to restore one who has fallen-understanding that many of you think Todd was a devil-and if so how did Jesus treat such. I have found in endtimes writings only loud challenges many without a scriptual basis for why he/she feels that way laced with harsh bitter spewing of cruel malice. What does the body of Christ have to gain with your proud sayings??? Please entertain me for a while and express with me on a mature intellectual and spiritual platform your thoughts and feelings. Am I a mindless spiritual sheep that has been mislead and blinded. If so show me. Psalmist.
Add some of Peter Wagner’s false praying over buildings waterways and streets so as to pull down principalities BEFORE evangelizing (which goes against the Word to “preach the Word in season and out of season” and does not mention principalities in any evangelistic scripture citation …
JONES SAID IT WAS STARTED BY HIS “ANGEL” EMMA. And then when Bob Jones a proven false prophet and sexual Baal worshipper (yes he prophesied over the women he was molesting naked) told Bentley that he was “giving” him his “Angel” Emma — and so when Bentley ran on and on about “Emma” and that Jesus told him to “get people to believe in the ‘angel’” — we were aflame in the rank APOSTASY of Lakeland.
All this to say — Bentley was sucked in and deceived by false doctrine and false prophets. The beef is with the false teaching. I wrote an open letter to my church backed with facts about Jones Cain Joyner Hamon et all back in early June.
I asked for prayer for Todd Bentley because he was being “targeted” by the demonic forces behind Jones and Cain probably because of Todd’s own sexual perversion in raping a seven year old boy that he never gave proper testimony of his overcoming about.
As for our tone. I can only speak for myself. I have never been in more intercession for God to SPARE FAITH than I have in these horrendous months of Lakeland because my church like you and yours is completely under its spell — Johnson. Sheets. Joyner Che Ahn Cindy Jacobs Wagner Jim Goll et all.
The only thing Endtimes does here is unmask these liars so people like you don’t fall into satans web of lies. I for one am so glad the Lord led me here…I was watching Fakeland and felt a REAL tug in my spirit when I heard the vomit coming out of their mouths! I got in deep prayer as the Holy Spirit led and ended up right here and learned so much! This place was conformation from God that what Holy Spirit was showing me was right on! And if you would get into the Word and study it you would see Endtimes is doing scriptually exactly what the Lord requires her to do! She don’t charge a penny for her teachings (like Bentley and the others) she puts in endless hours researching what she writes about and if you look back on many posts you will see scriptures that totally back it up! Being led by Holy Spirit will bring you to all truth!
I am glad you responded and appreciated you response. As for William Branham and his apostacy it is no secret he had some crazy doctrines. I know personally that many of the Group (Rick J.. Mike B.. Che. John A. etc.) acknowledge his wayward teachings. As for Emma. I heard this too and questioned it as I do everything. I heard it explained that emma means whole and that this was the angels title that came with the purpose of bringing wholeness to the body of Christ. That can be argued from many points but Angels heralded many things in scripture and find that according to Todd that if this was a healing angel releasing wholeness (be thou made whole) then I felt that it did not counter the gospel but supported it. He did not ask us to worship this angel but simply stated its presence. Explain the pool of bethesda (theologically) if you can? Did Jesus acknowledge or challenge it? Why and through whom did it come? I guess I should ask some doctrinal questions like… Do you believe in healing miracles signs and wonders and other such gifts are in operation in the body of Christ today. Knowing that would help us understand each other more. I do. I have not personally experienced a miracle before. I prayed hard for healing as I am 32 and had to have OHS last year. This did not change my belief though.
Oh How I love Jesus. Those are strong words and I would be glad to discuss the proven “LIES. PROVEN LIES!” you state you know of. As for End Times ( I will use ETP from here out)thanks for sharing your position on healing. What do you suppose are false ones that you are making me (as a reader) aware of. As for the teachings of those who associate with another would you consider every teacher minister and friend (in Christ) and exact copy of your beliefs or are there differing opinions. I feel that you unfairly associated anyone who ministered in Florida or supports Todd with his complete teachings. For example. Heather Clark issued a statement that she considered Todd a friend but did not agree with all of his teachings and interpretations of his prophetic experiences. I found it interesting and well put. Here she ministered along side of him but with grace offered that she did not completely agree with him. Again I would ask what false things in Todd Bentley and Lakeland did you feel were so wicked and decietful?(sp?)
Brandi: we are commanded not to “tolerate” false prophets or false doctrine as per Revelation 2:20 with serious repercussions. Being “friends” with someone who is not preaching Christianity and sharing the stage with them is an accursed thing according to the Lord.
It’s not funny. It is not sweet. It is not love to do this. Love in Christ is nothing without His Truth. You need to show yourself approved especially about Paul Cain. This man is a Baal worshipper as per “what Jezebel teaches”. He was not just caught in homosexual sin nor has he just “missed it” with decades of deluded false prophetic words. The man was praying over the men he was molesting while he was molesting them that they were cured of “homophobia”. This is rank perversion.
The whole tree the whole foundation under Lakeland is corrupt. And I don’t mean by the symptoms of perversion or adultery either. I mean by false teaching false doctrines of demons and especially. FALSE PROPHESY that has brainwashed the sheep into believing William Branham’s heresies.
brandi. alot of the words here are difficult to swallow and some over the top.. BUT the Word of God warns us all of the false teachers,false apostles,false wonders that have and still come into the church… when churches like ignite in lakeland either refuse to test ALL spirits or have already fell into false teaching and practice it. then who should speak up?nobody?is’nt that the problem…in 1 John it says to “test all spirits because not all spirits are of God” this is a command of God. should we ignore it?where is your discernment?do you study the bible? or do you get most of your biblical information from so-called christian books or so-called christian speakers?i’m not being mean. we are in no doubt the last days and there is no time for anything but the pure unchanged word of God…these are perilious times and we better be ready because the word says many will come in Jesus name but inside they are raveniness wolves. this false stuff is truly among us because we have allowed it to come in unchecked untested.. God has warned us but we have not believed Him. i believe God now. do you?
I agree it is apostasy end time delusion and dangerous. They are self appointed not God appointed. They have watched others fleece the flock. Oral Roberts said that God would strike him dead unless he received so many millions of dollars. This is a lie. And he never apologised for saying this to the public. The same in Lakeland bentley spoke on angels never repentance. I posted that bentley had beat his mom man that alone should shake people up. He Beat his Mother put her in the hospital this man needs help and these greedy whoremongers found a person they could deceive and manipulate through bentley.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity they allure through the lusts of the flesh through much wantonness those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Col 2:4 And this I say lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them and departed. Lakeland has focused on signs and wonders but according to Jesus that the wicked seek after a sign but the only sign given will be the sign of Jonas or Jonah. Jonah went and preached repentance. We should be looking after those who are not only preaching Jesus Christ and the cross for our sins but they should be preaching repentance. And those that are preaching should be living the example of a Godly life. This has not happened in lakeland. Drunken binges are not what preachers should be doing nor should they be involved in sexual immoralality yet Bentley flew paul cain down there who is an alocholic and self admitted homosexual. He said the time has come where people should worship God in spirit and in truth. Truth must be spoken and must be preserved. Paul said to avoid those who speak that gain is Godly material gain these word of faith teachers are teaching false. Many have been lured into these false teachings. I thank God for those who are speaking truth and are bringing out these web sites to warn people to flee from these false teachers. David Wilkerson is one who I believe is speaking truth. From what I understand he has never wavered from it. God bless those who stand and lead others to the precious truth of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. God bless from Joyce
The bible which the false ones don’t reach teaches that two or three prophets speak and let the others judge! The others means everybody and prophets means anybody including Todd Bentley. Stephen Strader. Stephen Strang. John Arnott and Bill Johnson who are all off the wall and liars and deceivers!
The Word of God tells us to know those that labor among us. We are to know their character and lifestyles. Todd Bentley preached many false doctrines and did many bizarre things in Lakeland. Many were blinded to his insane ministry. WE NOW KNOW FOR 100% CERTAIN that Todd was living with another woman drunk most nights and any sincere Bible knowledge should have deeply concerned people about his heretical doctrines. However when he confessed his affair with another woman and applied for divorce he was rejected by all those who endorsed him and he became exposed as a liar. Church leadership rejected his ministry and called him to repentance. Some his peers say that they are ministering to him now and claim that he has repented but we have not heard a word from his lips. Mostly the entire churches AROUND THE world have rejected Bentley because of his sinful lifestyle of womanizing and drinking and rightly so. Pat Holliday
I watched Todd and the first time i saw him it took me about2 seconds to see he was not of God. He never used a Bible,Told so many lies,he didnt even remember the ones he told he told so many i studied on the kundalini and that is what todd and all the kansas city prophets are into. Patricia King is a big Joke(werewolf) she studies comic books not the bible. And Bob Jones (if anyone cant see he is evil they are totally blind)and as for paul cain he is a joke. People can say it is amazing how God uses people like that well he dont if someone sins God does forgive and will use but not if the sin is repeated over and over. I think people better get back to the basics and quit following all the signs and wonders of to day. Get back to Jesus Christ and him crucified,death buryed and rose alive and is alive and we must be born again. Worship does not save us. I cant not understand how so many people can be deceived with these so called men like todd benny hinn and many more. I love the pentecostal way but i go to baptist went to pentecostal many years. But pentecostal is looking bad with men like todd and i have read on here thet we shouldnt tell people about men like tood and benny being false. Tell Jon the baptist that( he told some old generation of viper who have warned you to flee from the wrath to come bring forth fruits meet for repentence but it is sad men like todd have none of these fruits i dont say i am perfect and i know God does heal today i have been healed i was paralyzed for a year at one time i now walk because of many prayers of true christians that touched God. We are living in a time where people will grab anything because they dont pray or read Gods word. People are unlearned on Gods word and like what is easy and what sounds good in their ears. There is one way to heaven that is Christ and that will never change. He is the way the truth the life. No other way to heaven no matter who trys to change it. I am Glad i am saved. I will welcome comment i have studied many things on todd and know he is scary the little girl on his video had more decernment that anyone that went to the revival. What is wrong with people. And any one to follow the false doctrine of william branham could never read the bible. People read your bibles dont send these false preachers money that are out there and on tv to live like kings give the money to your on pastor and church. Then you can see what you money is doing. But i am Gld that these false preachers are being exposed. It is time we wake up. Jesus said that only sign that would be given was his raising from the dead. He is alive and is on the right hand of the father. Many so called preachers will face God one day and will be cast into the lake of fire. He will say i never knew you. And there will be many people in hell that follows these false deceivers and never sees the light my email address is
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