* hand preference - 1 messages. 1 author * Transform faults do not offset spreading ridges - 1 messages. 1 author * Origins and Mental Activity - 3 messages. 2 authors * News: Fossil record reveals elusive jellyfish more than 500 million years old. - 2 messages. 2 authors * Discover Islam - The Fastest Growing Religion in the world - 2 messages. 2 authors * Evolution of Morality - 1 messages. 1 author * New evidence showing the Deccan Traps flood volcanism may have been the primary cause of the Cretacious/Tertiary Extinction - 2 messages. 2 authors * Thoroughly Debunk This Paper - 1 messages. 1 author * Our Group Could Kick Your Group's Ass :) - 4 messages. 2 authors * Venn diagram: the locus of Intelligent Design in society - 1 messages. 1 author * The rise of secular America - 1 messages. 1 author * The important question for the Expanding Earth believers. - 3 messages. 1 author * OT: Personal milestone - 1 messages. 1 author * Article: American kids dumber than dirt - 1 messages. 1 author * 9,81 and the "Expanding Earth" - 1 messages. 1 author >>Ye Old One wrote:>> On Mon. 29 Oct 2007 18:24:24 -0700 don findlay <don@tower net au>>> enriched this group when s/he wrote:>>>> >>> >Ye Old One wrote:>> >> On Mon. 29 Oct 2007 12:21:00 -0700 don findlay <don@tower net au>>> >> enriched this group when s/he wrote:>> >>>> >> >>> >> >John Vreeland wrote:>> >> >> On Mon. 29 Oct 2007 02:05:47 -0700 don findlay <don@tower net au>>> >> >> opined:>> >> >>>> >> >> >How come?>> >> >>>> >> >> Are ye blind? That was one of the first things I ever noticed plate>> >> >> tectonics when I examined the maps as a child. Look at the Mendocino>> >> >> fracture zone. It is probably an iconic example of a transform fault>> >> >> offsetting a spreading ridge.>> >> >>> >> >Sorry John. ... But you're rushing in where angels fear to tread.>> >> >That's the level you are supposed to buy it. Most I'll bet are>> >> >exactly the same and haven't progressed since they were children.>> >> >>> >> >At least that's if we talk in terms of Plate Tectonics. In Earth>> >> >expansion of course they offset spreading ridges. It's the way it all>> >> >works. Spreading ridges are the biggest 'up' features on the face of>> >> >the planet and in their displacement transform faults provide the>> >> >measure of that enlargement. But Plate Tectonics ignores the>> >> >significance of that relegating movement to two dimensions only.>> >> >>> >> >Crazy huh?>> >>>> >> What is crazy is thinking the Earth is expanding when you have no>> >> measurements to evidence any expansion whatsoever,>> >>> >What do you think spreading-ridge offsets are? Something to do with>> >Plate Tectonics?>> >(Dope)>>>> Well.... It would help if you only used proper geologic terms for>> things but I can understand that is hard for someone as ignorant of>> geology as you are Desperate Don.>>>> And yes if we are talking about geology we are almost certainly going>> to be talking about Plate Tectonic as that is the science on which>> geology is based.>>Fortunately it isn't. > It's the promotional media teachers and career>artists who unashamedly talk it up for their own purposes and who are>on a carousel of snake-oil and hype who think it is. Or at least>would like everybody else to think it is. But since everyone knows>that's the game it doesn't matter. Geologists in general either pay>it tongue-in-cheek lip-service or couldn't be bothered one way or the>other. (Witness here.) But you cannot change the basic fact that PT is the foundation ofmodern geology.>>And then there's the offended general public who think any stones>cast in the direction of falsification to their sacred cows are an>affront to decency. Like you and that other old goat. ( And now we've>got an Enigmatic One and a Lucifer.. What's the world coming>to? .. I ask you... I mean. . couldn't you at least sign yourself as>a Blue Wiggle or something and upgrade your perceived mental capacity? In message <rkffi39m4okbdh3cgrg8f8iaqv74j5jb0t@4ax com>. Zoe <muze10@aol com> writes>On Tue. 30 Oct 2007 10:47:52 +0000. Ernest Major><{$to$}@meden demon co uk> wrote:>>>In message <9j7di3h2pbuk7u70v1aqii5f35inl8ptep@4ax com>. Zoe>><muze10@aol com> writes>>>On Mon. 29 Oct 2007 02:50:43 -0500. Mark VandeWettering>>><wettering@attbi com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>zoe wrote:>>>>>>snip>>>>>>>>>> Would you say that five carbons seven hydrogens and two oxygens>>>>> probably happened to bounce into each other and formed a sugar>>>>> molecule in the early universe?>>>>>>>>Well whatever that is it isn't a sugar. Perhaps you meant C6H12O6?>>>>>>no. I mean in a configuration like this:>>>>>> H>>> />>> C H>>> / \ />>>H O C \H>>>| \ />>>C- C- C>>>| | |>>>H H H>>>>>>this is a sugar molecule isn't it?>>>>No. A (monosaccharide) sugar is stoichometrically (CH2O)n where n is 3>>to 7 with particular structural properties. (For example the each>>oxygen is bonded to only one carbon atom.) And certain derived>>compounds to taste - for example deoxyribose the sugar moeity of DNA,>>is one oxygen short.>>>>Carbohydrates which are sugars and sugar polymers are>>stoichometrically Cm(H2O)n. For example sucrose (and many other>>disaccharide sugars) are C12(H2O)11.>>okay here's a link that will give you a better description of the>sugar that I'm talking about. Can you take that chemical chain>outside the context of the article and place it wherever you think it>should go in the early universe?>> As someone else have mentioned we don't particularly expect molecules like that in the early universe - please recall that Earth of 4 billion years ago in not part of the early universe.>>>>>>>From your understanding of the ability of chemistry have you observed>>>the tendency for elements to behave in the following fashion when the>>>elements are available in free form?>>>>>> H H>>> / />>> C H C H>>> / \ / / \ />>>H O C \ O H O C O>>>| \ / H | | \ / \H |>>>C- C- C -------- O--P--O-------C - C -C----------O--P--O>>>| | | || | ||>>>H H H O H O>>>>>>>>>Or are you going to take the easy way out and say well we see that>>>kind of formation today and therefore chemistry can make strings like>>>this all by itself?>>>>>>The question is: Has chemistry been observed to have its elements>>>gravitate into consistent repeating chains like this outside of the>>>genetic system?>>>>>Yes. For example chain silicates. For example nylon. For example teflon.>>(And also sorts of other plastics.)>>minerals that contain chains do not answer my question. For starters,>I didn't ask about chains in general but about the above chain. I>said. "chains like this." Can you address that particular chain? >Also. I'm not sure you want to be helping my position by presenting>man-made chains as in teflon and plastics.>The existence of plastics doesn't help your position. What we're telling you is that the chemical reactions that occur depend on the environment - and it doesn't matter whether the environment occurred naturally or was man-made. Diamonds can be formed at high pressure in the interior of the earth or artificially at high pressure. The existence of diamonds formed in the latter fashion doesn't mean that diamonds can't form naturally. (IIRC diamonds can also form by condensation in the atmospheres of red-giant stars and can also be formed artificially (in the form of films) by condensation. Again the existence of the latter process doesn't mean that the former process is impossible.)-- alias Ernest Major In message <ypRVi.61487$Um6.19738@newssvr12 news prodigy net>. John Harshman <jharshman diespamdie@pacbell net> writes>>>>>Would you say that five carbons seven hydrogens and two oxygens>>>>>probably happened to bounce into each other and formed a sugar>>>>>molecule in the early universe?>>>>>>>>Well whatever that is it isn't a sugar. Perhaps you meant C6H12O6?>>>>>>no. I mean in a configuration like this:>>>>>> H>>> />>> C H>>> / \ />>>H O C \H>>>> \ />>>C- C- C>>>| | |>>>H H H>>>>>>this is a sugar molecule isn't it?>>>>>> No.>>Actually yes at least by courtesy. It's dideoxyribose. To my >knowledge it's not found in nature but it is used in DNA sequencing >reaction to terminate extenion. Without dideoxyribose no DNA >sequencing. > The existence of plastics doesn't help your position. What we're telling > you is that the chemical reactions that occur depend on the environment > - and it doesn't matter whether the environment occurred naturally or > was man-made. Diamonds can be formed at high pressure in the interior of > the earth or artificially at high pressure. The existence of diamonds > formed in the latter fashion doesn't mean that diamonds can't form > naturally. (IIRC diamonds can also form by condensation in the > atmospheres of red-giant stars and can also be formed artificially (in > the form of films) by condensation. Again the existence of the latter > process doesn't mean that the former process is impossible.) I believe this is the Achilles Heel of Zoe's present approach. She is angling in an extremely elliptical way for some point about organic compounds not being able to form spontaneously either due to wrong thermodynamics or through not being in the right place/time absent some intelligence manipulating them. In a paper to be published in PLoS ONE on October 31 the researchersdescribe four types of cnidarian fossils preserving traits that allowthem to be related to modern orders and families of jellyfish. Thespecimens are about 200 million years older than the oldest previouslydiscovered jellyfish fossils. "The fossil record is full of circular shaped blobs some of which arejellyfish," said Paulyn Cartwright. KU assistant professor of ecologyand evolutionary biology and one of the article's authors. "That's oneof the reasons the fossils we describe are so interesting because youcan see a distinct bell-shape tentacles muscle scars and possiblyeven the gonads." Cartwright. Bruce Lieberman. KU professor of geology and seniorcurator of invertebrate paleontology at the KU Natural History Museum,and Jonathan Hendricks postdoctoral researcher in geology at KU,collaborated on the article. Their research will be published October31 in PLoS ONE an online peer-reviewed journal by the Public Libraryof Science. Other researchers involved in the discoveries were SusanL. Halgedahl and Richard D. Jarrard both of the University of Utah,Salt Lake City. Utah; Antonio C. Marques. University of San Paulo. SanPaulo. Brazil; and Allen G. Collins. Smithsonian Institution,Washington. D. C. Lieberman said the jellyfish the group describes found in Utah offerinsights into the puzzle of rapid species diversification anddevelopment that occurred during the Cambrian radiation a time whenmost animal groups appear in the fossil record beginning roughly 540million years ago. The fossil record reveals much less about theorigin and early evolution of animals such as jellyfish than it doesabout animals with hard shells or bones. With the discovery of the four different types of jellyfish in theCambrian however the researchers said that there is enough detail toassert that the types can be related to the modern orders and familiesof jellyfish. The specimens show the same complexity. That means thateither the complexity of modern jellyfish developed rapidly roughly500 million years ago or that the group is even older and existedlong before then. On Oct 31. 1:55 am veritas <khogan...@yahoo com> wrote:> On Oct 27. 10:43 pm chris thompson <chris linthomp...@gmail com>> wrote:>>>> > On Oct 27. 11:09 pm veritas <khogan...@yahoo com> wrote:>> > > On Oct 26. 5:11 am chris thompson <chris linthomp...@gmail com>> > > wrote:>> > > > On Oct 26. 1:17 am veritas <khogan...@yahoo com> wrote:>> > > > > On Oct 23. 1:06 pm. AC <mightymartia...@gmail com> wrote:>> > > > > > On Mon. 22 Oct 2007 20:34:13 -0700,>> > > > > > veritas <khogan...@yahoo com> wrote:> > > > > > > On Oct 18. 8:19 am b...@radix net (Robert Grumbine) wrote:> > > > > > >> In article <rmnah3lhkmi8k508mu161p5rqtibgtl...@4ax com>,> > > > > > >> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz off> wrote:>> > > > > > >> >On Tue. 16 Oct 2007 13:27:28 -0000 the following appeared> > > > > > >> >in talk origins posted by b...@radix net (Robert Grumbine):>> > > > > > >> >>In article <lg_Qi.2731$LD2....@newssvr17 news prodigy net>,> > > > > > >> >>Bobby Bryant <bdbry...@yourhat unr edu> wrote:> > > > > > >> >>>In article <2g58h3l58fs7mfikphg66tvb7d2oe8a...@4ax com>,> > > > > > >> >>> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz off> writes:> > > > > > >> >>>> On Mon. 15 Oct 2007 17:28:14 -0700 the following appeared> > > > > > >> >>>> in talk origins posted by ali2007> > > > > > >> >>>> <ali_2007_...@hotmail com>:>> > > > > > >> >>>> <snip>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>WHAT IS ISLAM?>> > > > > > >> >>>> That would be the one major religion whose proponents> > > > > > >> >>>> believe in using human bombs to kill innocent women and> > > > > > >> >>>> children not as "collateral damage" but as the main> > > > > > >> >>>> objective. A religion of sociopaths.>> > > > > > >> >>>Please try not to overgeneralize.>> > > > > > >> >> Or for that matter to undergeneralize. There have been quite a few> > > > > > >> >>Christians in the US calling for killing every muslim in the world.> > > > > > >> >>They were talking more in terms of nukes than 'human bombs' but I> > > > > > >> >>think calling for a billion person genocide more than makes up for> > > > > > >> >>any quibble about means.>> > > > > > >> >Actions speak louder than words.>> > > > > > >> Indeed. How many of those genocidal Christians have been supporting> > > > > > >> the war in Iraq that has killed tens of thousands to hundreds of> > > > > > >> thousands of Muslims? (Not that they don't have company in support of> > > > > > >> the war but their support is for the kill as many as you can reason.)>> > > > > > >> Rather more than 3000 dead to their account. Figure will rise> > > > > > >> markedly if Bush gets his war with Iran and they're also already> > > > > > >> in support of that.>> > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> Robert Grumbine links.> > > > > > >> Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much> > > > > > >> evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they> > > > > > >> would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences- Hide quoted text ->> > > > > > >> - Show quoted text ->> > > > > > > Don't bring down our buildings blow holes in our ships blow up our> > > > > > > embassies don't make yourself some atom bombs so that the rest of the> > > > > > > middle eastern countries want some as well. I be then you won't get> > > > > > > your butt handed to you and your land invaded and thousands maybe> > > > > > > hundreds of thousands killed. It would have been much easier to nuke> > > > > > > 'em but no we have to make things "better". LOL Now pray to Allah we> > > > > > > don't just leave. Then see the bloodbath. But Iran is going to give> > > > > > > up the atom bomb or go up. It's their choice. Islam is temporarily> > > > > > > the fastest growing religion in the world. It may become the fastest> > > > > > > shrinking religion if they don't get a handle on their people. Ken>> > > > > > Um which of these was Saddam Hussein responsible for?>> > > > > > There is no greater triumph of lying and deceit than that which put a> > > > > > secular dictator who hated and feared the Islamists as much as we do in with> > > > > > bin Laden and his pack of delusional pan-Islamic nutbars.>> > > > > > Let's take this slowly. Iraq had nothing to do with the USS Cole. Iraq had> > > > > > nothing to do with 9-11. Iraq was completely contained. Iraq was not an al> > > > > > Qaeda ally and Hussein spent a good deal of his time keeping the religious> > > > > > nutsos in check.>> > > > > > As to Iran whether or not it's a good think that it gets nukes how is it> > > > > > any different than Pakistan. India or North Korea getting nukes. Iran isn't> > > > > > a suicidal regime (and ignore Ahmadinejad he has no meaningful power in> > > > > > this regard) but the purpose for its pursuit of nuclear capabilities is> > > > > > identical to that of North Korea's to buy itself a permanent safeguard> > > > > > against invasion (which it has been deeply paranoid about since 1979).>> > > > > > I guarantee you that the West will lose any war it tries to wage against> > > > > > Islam. It cannot hope to kill every Muslim but it would lead (with a great> > > > > > deal of justification) to the rise of Muslims against the West and against> > > > > > those governments (like Saudi Arabia) which are more-or-less allied with the> > > > > > US.>> > > > > > --> > > > > > Aaron Clausen> > > > > > mightymartia...@gmail com- Hide quoted text ->> > > > > > - Show quoted text ->> > > > > We decide who needs to die not any of you. You can't guarantee> > > > > anything. If you so much as raise another finger we'll nuke you from> > > > > Mecca all the way to Indonesia. Then we'll see if you rise. And> > > > > guess what? Atom blasts turn sand to glass and drill bits drill right> > > > > through glass. Then we'll ask anyone who objected to what we did to> > > > > raise their hands and we'll nuke them as well. As for the rest of> > > > > you you think Germany has forgotten how to build concentration> > > > > camps? Don't think so. Do you think the people who taught them how> > > > > to do it have forgotten? (The British during the Boer War). I promise> > > > > they haven't. Keep it up and you will all be flakes on a sea of> > > > > glass. Who's left will be taken for "questioning" by Homeland> > > > > Security. Maybe they will get to come home. Maybe.> > > > > You don't get to determine who was responsible for anything. We do,> > > > > and did. You are lucky you got out with what you did. To many soft> > > > > hearted people in this country. But don't push it. Muslim law is> > > > > only good in Muslim countries. If you want to keep them keep quite.> > > > > We are the law and we decide who gets punished.> > > > > Did the crazy radicals give a damn what innocents they killed? No.> > > > > So why should we? But we are just starting the cat and mouse game> > > > > with Iran. We don't have three carrier groups in the Indian Ocean> > > > > just to say hello. Iran is going to give it up or go up. Keep> > > > > screwing with us and the Muslim religion will be the largest religion> > > > > that ever went to a tiny religion. You think this is retaliation?> > > > > This is being kind to Muslims. Next time this will seem like kisses> > > > > from your mother at bedtime. I guarantee you that. If you don't> > > > > believe me there are a lot of us that can't wait. I'm a left wing> > > > > liberal just think what the right wingers think. As I said you> > > > > don't get to determine anything just do what we say or suddenly you> > > > > won't be able to hear at all. Ken>> > > > Wow. How did you ever find your way out of the mushroom patch?>> > > > Chris- Hide quoted text ->> > > > - Show quoted text ->> > > If you think every word of the above is no so and will not be so. YOU> > > are still in the mushroom patch. Come out to hard political reality.> > > That is the way it will be. Or maybe you want to stay there in the> > > patch? Either way that's what will happen if they don't give it up> > > and soon. Ken>> > You are either insane or you are a teenager afflicted with typical> > teenage blood and power fantasies. Many people grow out of them. But> > to hasten the process along. I would point out that the US even> > allied with various lapdogs is not the all-powerful entity it was> > through the 1950s and 1960s. In those years the USA wielded the big> > stick and people listened. Today with Bush in charge the Iranians> > ignore us and the North Koreans laugh at us. Our military is> > stretched to the breaking point. And if you even think about> > nukes.. well here's a thought. There are millions of ethnic Chinese> > in Indonesia. If you think Beijing will stand by and let them die in a> > nuclear holocaust perpetrated by the US you are completely out of> > touch. But then again maybe we knew that already.>> > Chris- Hide quoted text ->> > - Show quoted text ->> I am 55 and you had better believe it. You think we are streched to> the breaking point? Keeping watching that T. V. Son you are the one> who is not in reality. All the congresspersons and senators on both> sides know what's coming. None of them will object. The Chinese are> able because of their population to defend themselves from invasion.> Otherwise all they can do is stand and watch. You are not in> political reality. The reality is this: Iran is going to give it up> or go up. Those are their two choices and have already been told.> The cat and mouse game has begun but in the end those are the two> choices. You remember this when they give it up or go up. Ken On Oct 30. 10:48 pm. Mark Iredell <im b...@cox net> wrote:> Cory Albrecht wrote:> > Cj wrote. On 30/10/07 11:42 AM:> > > <tgdenn...@earthlink net> wrote> > >> The question then arises: If this behavior is there in the first> > >> place why do you need a 'moral code' in the human sense---a set of> > >> verbal instructions passed on through generations?>> > > Why do you assume that a 'moral code' is a set of verbal instructions?> > > Morality is in effect a set of behavioral tendencies that are innate and a> > > consequence of the evolution of social animals. Morality does not require> > > formal instructions unless you consider humans as a special case of animals> > > without social behaviors or 'morals'.>> > I disagree - I think morality does have to be taught. I'm sure most of> > us have known selfish people who have offspring which also turn out to> > be selfish.>> This could support either nurture or nature.>> > If morals didn't need to be taught if they were an innate consequent of> > evolution then humans the least genetically variable of known species,> > should all have the same moral code. Yet moral codes vary between> > societies and even between individuals in the same society.>> Just like eye color skin tone blood type etc?>> > It seems that like language for feral children the normal> > developmental progress of learning a moral code as one is dependant upon> > having somebody there to teach it.>> Language at any rate is not necessary for morality (not that that> was claimed).>> Those of us who have multiple children can attest that conscience and> empathy (avoiding the loaded word morality for the moment) Boulder. CO. USA - A series of monumental volcanic eruptions in Indiamay have killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago not a meteorimpact in the Gulf of Mexico. The eruptions which created thegigantic Deccan Traps lava beds of India are now the prime suspect inthe most famous and persistent paleontological murder mystery sayscientists who have conducted a slew of new investigations honing downeruption timing. "It's the first time we can directly link the main phase of the DeccanTraps to the mass extinction," said Princeton Universitypaleontologist Gerta Keller. The main phase of the Deccan eruptionsspewed 80 percent of the lava which spread out for hundreds of miles. It is calculated to have released ten times more climate alteringgases into the atmosphere than the nearly concurrent Chicxulub meteorimpact according to volcanologist Vincent Courtillot from thePhysique du Globe de Paris. Keller's crucial link between the eruption and the mass extinctioncomes in the form of microscopic marine fossils that are known to haveevolved immediately after the mysterious mass extinction event. Thesame telltale fossilized planktonic foraminifera were found atRajahmundry near the Bay of Bengal about 1000 kilometers from thecenter of the Deccan Traps near Mumbai. At Rajahmundry there are twolava "traps" containing four layers of lava each. Between the trapsare about nine meters of marine sediments. Those sediments just abovethe lower trap which was the mammoth main phase contain theincriminating microfossils. Keller and her collaborator Thierry Adatte from the University ofNeuchatel. Switzerland are scheduled to present the new findings onTuesday. 30 October at the annual meeting of the Geological Societyof America in Denver. They will also display a poster on the matter atthe meeting on Wednesday. 31 October. Previous work had first narrowed the Deccan eruption timing to within800,000 years of the extinction event using paleomagnetic signaturesof Earth's changing magnetic field frozen in minerals thatcrystallized from the cooling lava. Then radiometric dating of argonand potassium isotopes in minerals narrowed the age to within 300,000years of the 65-million-year-old Cretaceous-Tertiary (a k a. Cretaceous-Paleogene) boundary sometimes called the K-T boundary. The microfossils are far more specific however because theydemonstrate directly that the biggest phase of the eruption endedright when the aftermath of the mass extinction event began. That sortof clear-cut timing has been a lot tougher to pin down with Chicxulub-related sediments which predate the mass extinction. "Our results are consistent and mutually supportive with a number ofnew studies including Chenet. Courtillot and others (in press) andJay and Widdowson (in press) that reveal a very short time for themain Deccan eruptions at or near the K-T boundary and the massivecarbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide output of each major eruption thatdwarfs the output of Chicxulub," explained Keller. "Our K-T agecontrol combined with these results strongly points to Deccanvolcanism as the likely leading contender in the K-T mass extinction."Keller's study was funded by the National Science Foundation. "John Wilkins" <j wilkins1@uq edu au> wrote in messagenews:1i6sxyf ayn4ytw89z8vN%j wilkins1@uq edu au...> macaddicted <macaddicted@REMOVETHISca rr com> wrote:>> > <kylevanderwerf@yahoo com> wrote:> >> > > I was e-mailed the link by someone who was trying to convince me that> > > Biblical Literalism is true> >> > If one is going to assume that Literalism is true than one should have> > the answers to these:> > 1. When in the mission of Christ was the Cleansing of the Temple?> > 2. How many times did Jesus go up to Jerusalem?> > 3. How many times was Jesus present in Jerusalem for the Passover?> > On Oct 28. 10:01 pm. Ron O <rokim...@cox net> wrote:> On Oct 28. 8:18 pm. Ken Rode <kar...@sympatico ca> wrote:>>>>>> > dkomo wrote:> > > skeptic wrote:>> > >> "I am sure you will be thrilled to know that AvC has set a new> > >> milestone for the number of posts in a single month and with 3 days> > >> yet to go. In addition for the first time we have passed> > >> talk origin in the total number of posts in a month. AvC is the big> > >> gorilla on the block." -- OldMan moderator of Atheism vs> > >> Christianity.>> > >> Join us. You know you want to.>> > > WTF is "AvC"?>> > It's a Google group. Details here:> > <>>> > (I'm not affiliated with them.)>> Once the antiscience creationists figure out that they can't argue the> science one option is to argue with the Atheists. JTEM <jtem01@gmail com> wrote in news:1193813037.872318.223970@o80g2000hse googlegroups com:> Mujin <umwin...@seesee umanitoba ca> wrote:> >> I assure you that most Japanese people are religious for>> reasonable definitions of the word.> > I was thinking the same thing. One obvious example is the> adherence to Shinto traditions. Even people who identify> themselves as belonging to other faiths could be described> as "Culturally Shinto." Yes. A big issue here is that if you ask a typical Japanese "Do you have a religion?" or "Do you have a religious faith?" they might well answer "No" because they assume you mean to ask if they adhere to a particular faith to the exclusion of others when in fact Japanese people take a pragmatic approach to religious matters and are quite happy to make use of parts of several religions simultaneously. Of course one can wonder if a Japanese person who happens to go to the shrine during New Years can really be said to be religious (just as with a European who happens to go to church at Christmas) but this is why the definitions of religious belief are so slippery - it's not binary so the definition has to take into account a wide range of behavior. > Florian wrote:> > Rupert Morrish <rupert@morrish org> wrote:> > > >> Florian wrote:> > > >>> Matter converted to rock? What does it mean? Rock is made of matter no> >>> need for a conversion. > >>>> >> Rock is not made of hydrogen. How are the heavier elements made?> > > > I wonder how many time I told you that I don't have a single clue about> > that?> > > > > > That much is obvious. You also appear to lack curiosity about it. > I think > that's a fair point and I've tried to avoid falling into those traps by> focusing on the core claim of EE (that the radius of the Earth has > roughly doubled in the last 200 million years) and asking what I > consider to be reasonable questions.> > I think we would not expect creationists to be convinced if we refused> to speculate on how evolution occurs. Of course this is not the case.> Darwin proposed hybridisation as a mechanism. Other mechanisms were > proposed until the modern synthesis united genetics and natural > selection. Mechanisms continue to be a major topic of evolutionary > research from the relative importance of selection versus drift to > pretty much the whole field of evo-devo. > > If EE had anything going for it. I do not think its proponents would be> afraid to say what they think the mechanism is. I do not believe that> you can nearly single-handedly take on the entire geological > establishment without at least wondering what is going on beneath our feet. However note that there is strong evidence that Type II diabetes is a genetic condition and if you have the genes odds are that you will experience the condition sooner or later. Excessive weight accelerates the Standard Type II Diabetic Progression and produces problems "sooner". Losing the weight ameliorates the genetic problem i e turns "sooner" into "later" The solution is from all of them. Of all the sources studentsare imho the least to blame. There's a common refrain aboutstudents that they 'only do the minimum to get by'. Well that'strue. It has always been true. But the notion accepted by teachers,administration and surroundings of what constitutes 'get by' havechanged. When students run in to a higher level of requirement to get by they meet it if that teacher/parent sticks to it and has modest last of opposition from the rest of the adult surroundings.(Don't confuse being a jerk with having higher standards of course.) -- Robert Grumbine Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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It took me a few years to come to realize that not many people reallyappreciate what you are doing and also that a “thank you” was very rare evenwhen you went out of your way to help someone. But I say “Thank You” to theLord for revealing something to me very early in my Christian walk. Withoutthis revelation I may never have continued many of the future activities that Idid over many years. I denote many times receiving complaints from fellow workers about howhard they worked at perform and no one seemed to appreciate or adjudge them. So many of my dear friends and acquaintances over the years became frustratedbecause of this and eventually they dropped out of activities and sometimesdropped out of perform. The revelation I referred to was given to me in a time of frustrationand hurt over many hours devoted to a person whom everyone else gave up on. They came through their situation and then walked away from me neveracknowledging my time and effort in helping them through their problem. Whilepraying to God and telling Him how hard I worked in other words having a“pity” celebrate for myself. God said these words to my heart. “Who did you do itall for? Are you working to be recognized for the wonderful person you thinkyou are or are you doing it to give Me the Glory?” The veil was lifted from myeyes that day. Was I looking for the Glory that belonged to God? Scripturetells me that the only “thank you” that I need ordain be when I hear Him say,“Well done My good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things. Iwill make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of the ennoble.” (Matthew25:21) If you are waiting for a “thank you” now frompeople then stop what you are doing and get things right! You are trying to bea man pleaser and by doing that you are stealing the glory that belongs to God!Ask forgiveness and then do His work for the right reason out of your love forHim not man’s thank you! Bits & Pieces containscopyrighted material the use of which has not always been specificallyauthorized by the copyright owner. Bits & Pieces is making such materialavailable in our efforts to understanding many issues etc. Bits & Piecesbelieves this constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as isprovided for in section 107 of US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17U. S,C. divide 107 the material on this site is distributed without profit tothose who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included informationfor research and educational purposes. For more information go to : . If you wish to use copyrighted material from this newsletter for purposes ofyour own that go beyond ‘fair use’ you must obtain permission from thecopyright owner. The fact is everysingle dating method (outside of Scripture) is based on fallibleassumptions. There are literally hundreds of dating tools. However whateverdating method one uses assumptions must be made about the past. Not onedating method man devises is absolute! Even though 90% of all dating methodsgive dates far younger than evolutionists require none of these can be used inan absolute comprehend either. This is thecrux of the issue. When Christians have agreed with the world that they canaccept man’s fallible dating methods to interpret God’s Word they have agreedwith the world that the Bible can’t be trusted. They have essentially sent outthe message that man by himself independent of revelation can determinetruth and impose this on God’s evince. Once this ‘door’ has been opened regardingGenesis ultimately it can happen with the rest of the Bible. Yes one can bea conservative Christian and lecture authoritatively from God’s Word fromGenesis 12 onwards. But once you have told people to accept man’s datingmethods and thus should not take the first chapters of Genesis as they arewritten you have effectively undermined the Bible’s authority! This attitudeis destroying the church in As longas a church believes in these essential doctrines then it is Christian. However there are many things in the scriptures that have been interpreted indifferent ways. For example what day of the week should be adore on,Saturday or Sunday? Should we baptize by sprinkling or baptize by immersion? Dowe take communion every Sunday once a month or once a year? The answers tothese questions do not alter whether or not someone is a Christian. It is inthese issues and others like them that denominations are formed. It does notmean that one denomination contradicts another. It means that though they agreein the essentials they differ in some nonessentials. This is permitted inScripture: Sadly there is another cerebrate fordenominational differences and that is the failure of Christians to liveaccording to the will of God. The truth is that we are all sinners and we donot see things eye to eye. It is an unfortunate truth that denominationaldifferences are due to our shortsightedness and lack of love. But the goodthing is that God loves us so much that He puts up with our failures. Therewaits for us in spite of our differences a great reward in heaven. Neithersalvation nor damnation is dependent upon our differences. Our salvationis based on our relationship with Christ. Matt Slick carm org/ the day beforeThanksgiving and says,” I hate to baffle your day but I undergo to express you thatyour mother and I are divorcing; forty-five years of misery is enough."Pop what are you talking about?" the son screams. We can't standthe sight of each other any longer," the father says. "We're sick ofeach other and I'm sick of talking about this so you call your sister in immediately and screams at her father. "You are NOT getting divorced. Don't do a single thing until I get there. I'm calling my brother back andwe'll both be there tomorrow. Until then don't do a thing. DO YOU HEARME?" and hangs up. The old man hangs up his phone and turns to his wife. "Okay," hesays. "they're coming for Thanksgiving and paying their own way." During the 18th centuryindividual colonies commonly observed days of thanksgiving throughout eachyear. We might not recognize a traditional Thanksgiving Day from that period,as it was not a day marked by plentiful food and drink as is today's custom,but rather a day set aside for prayer and fasting. Later in the 1700's individual colonies would periodicallydesignate a day of thanksgiving in honor of a military victory an adoption ofa express constitution or an exceptionally bountiful crop. 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It is a cherished intellectual make of our times to bring out the contend of secular civilization to faith and religion. There is however very little reflection on the challenge that religion — particularly Islam — poses to the sensate grow of the age. For the last few centuries religion in the West has been on the defensive most often apologetic at all times making concessions to and compromises with an approach to life and grow that is transfer to the values and ideals of religion. The Muslim World has also weathered the global onslaughts of Western civilization especially its politico-economic arm imperialism which inflicted many a dent and deformity. The religious approach to life and its problems was discarded and the role of religion in the socio- economic spheres became minimal. At both the conceptual and operational levels the faith and religion of all those under colonial rule and of the Muslims in particular was reduced to a secondary position if not to one of be irrelevance. The situation is now changing. The tide of Imperialism has receded. The Muslim World after attaining political independence is now engaged in an ideological effort to rediscover its cultural personality. By drawing upon its own spiritual and historical sources it is trying to develop new attitudes and roles for restructuring its own society and for the establishment of a new world request. This new resilience in the Muslim World symbolises the revivalist movement of Islam. The Muslims look upon the crisis of the twentieth century as a crisis of values and accept that the way out of the human predicament lies in the construction of a new social request. The real need is not to seek concessions here and there or to effect a few changes in the institutional superstructures. What is needed is a searching re-examination of the foundations on which the entire structure of society is built and of the ideals which the culture aspires to bring home the bacon. The crisis in economic and political relations is the natural outcome of the ideals values and institutions that remember modern civilization. Islam therefore suggests that it is only through summoning mankind towards a new vision of man and society that its house can be set in order. This calls for a basic change in man's approach. It is only through a thorough understanding of the social ideals and values of religion and a realistic assessment of their socio-economic situation — resources problems and constraints — that faith-oriented communities can develop a creative and innovative come to the challenges confronting humanity today. This approach must be ideological. The real objective which inspires the Muslims is not a package of economic and political concessions nor change surface certain changes in the economic superstructure but the construction of a new world order with its own framework of ideals values and foundations. The Western approach has always assumed that radical change can be brought about by changing the environment. That is why emphasis has always been placed on change in coordinate. This approach has failed to produce proper results. It has ignored the need to bring about dress within men and women themselves and has concentrated on change in the outside world. What is needed however is a be change — within people themselves as well as in their social environment. The problem is not merely structural although structural arrangements would also undergo to be remodeled. But the starting point must be the hearts and souls of men and women their perception of reality and of their own place and mission in life. The Islamic come to social dress takes full cognizance of these aspects. The uniqueness of Islamic culture lies in its values and principles. When Muslims after an illustrious historical go became oblivious of this fact and became obsessed with the manifestations of their culture as against its sources they could not even fully defend the accommodate they had built. The strength of Islam lies in its ideals values and principles and their relevance to us is as great today as it has ever been in history. The communicate is timeless and the principles Islam embodies are of universal application. In our search for a new world order today. Islam emphasizes that we must aspire to a new system of life through which to approach human problems from a different perspective not merely from the perspective of limited national or regional arouse but from the perspective of what is right and do by and how beat we can assay to evolve a just and a humane world order at different levels of our existence individual national and international. That the present order is characterized by injustice and exploitation is proved beyond any shadow of doubt. But Islam suggests that the present request fails because it is based upon a do by concept of man and of his relationship with other human beings with society with nature and with the world. The search for a new order brings us to the be for a new concept of man and his role. From the viewpoint of world religions in general and of Islam in particular the focus of the discussion must be shifted to a new vision of man and society to an effort to carry about change at the aim of human consciousness of values leading to new cultural transformation. Islam however was never a merely intellectual concern of Mawlana Mawdudi. He consciously tried to live Islam and to live for Islam. As far back as his mid-twenties he had resolved not only to apply all his energy to expounding the teachings of Islam but also to do all that lay in his cater to transform Islamic teachings into practical realities. Mawlana Mawdudi was always emphatic in asserting that Islam is not merely a body of metaphysical doctrines nor merely a bundle of rituals nor change surface merely a set of rules of individual care. It is indeed a way of life the bases of which lie rooted in comprehend Revelation; a way of life which is permeated with God consciousness and is oriented to doing God's ordain and actualizing good and righteousness in human life. A Muslim is committed to go this way of life to bear witness to it by evince and deed and to strive in order to make it prevail in the world. Hence in addition to his intellectual contribution in 1941 Mawlana Mawdudi founded a movement known as the Jamaat-I-Islaim ("The Islamic Organization"). He led this movement as its chief from its inception process 1972. change surface after getting himself relieved of the duties of its formal headship for reasons of health he continued to be a study obtain of guidance and inspiration for those associated with the Jamaat-I-Islaim and indeed for a very large be of men and women across the globe who do not undergo any affiliation to that organization. More and more populate particularly Muslims of the younger generation are coming to appreciate Mawdudi and even determine with the vision of Islam that he articulated so lucidly and incisively. It is remarkable that despite the exacting tasks laid on Mawlana Mawdudi's shoulders as the continue of a large movement he remained prolific as a writer and his writings remained impressive not only qualitatively but also quantitatively. His magnum opus of course is his translation and tafs'ir (exegesis) of the Holy Qur'an an epitome of his elegant literary style his erudition and the clarity and brilliance of his thought. One of the major characteristics of Mawlana Mawdudi was his ability to bring out the relevance of Islam to the problems and concerns of man in the show age. This is largely because he combined with his Islamic scholarship awareness and knowledge of the intellectual trends and practical problems of man in the modern age. In encountering the challenge of modernity. Mawlana Mawdudi displayed neither ultra-conservative rigidity nor proneness to be overawed by the ideas and institutions current in our time simply because they were fashionable in the modern age or had gained respectability among the nations which are currently the leaders of the world. He wanted the Muslims to appropriate creatively the healthy and beneficial elements from the cumulative treasure of human experience and to employ them to answer the higher ends of life embodied in the Islamic tradition. It is this aspect of Mawlana Mawdudi which has attracted many but at the same time repelled many others particularly the ultra-conservative and the ultra-westernized elements in Muslim society. 7. It would be instructive to have in mind here to an important speech of Ja’far ibn Abi Talib. When the oppression of the Muslims of Makka reached its height the Prophet Muhammad (blessings of Allah and peace be upon him) asked some of them to move to the adjoining express of Abyssinia. A assort did so. But the Quraish who were perpetrating every conceivable oppression against the Muslims did not sit by idlv. They pursued the Muslims and asked King Negus of Abyssinia to forcefully go his immigrants. In the court of King Negus. Ja’far made a speech which threw light on the revolution that the Holy Prophet had brought about. He said: "O King! We were ignorant populate given to idolatry. We were used to eating corpses change surface of dead animals and to doing all kinds of disgraceful things. We did not carry out our obligations to our relations and ill-treated our neighbours. The strong among us would grow at the depreciate of the weak till at measure. God raised a Prophet for our reformation. His descent his righteousness his integrity and his piety are come up known lo us all. He called us to the worship of God and exhorted us to give up idolatry and stone-worship. He enjoined us to communicate the truth to alter good our trusts to consider ties of kinship and to do good to our neighbours. He taught us to shun everything foul and to avoid bloodshed. He forbade all manner of indecent things: telling lies misappropriating orphans' belongings and bringing false accusation against the chastity of women. So we believed in him. Followed him and acted upon his teaching. .") His is the only example where all the excellences undergo been blended into one personality. He is a philosopher and a seer as well as a living embodiment of his own teachings. He is a great statesman as well as a military genius. He is a legislator and also a teacher of morals. He is a spiritual luminary as well as a religious command. His vision penetrates every aspect of life. His orders and commandments cover a vast field from the regulation of international relations down to the habits of everyday life desire eating drinking and personal hygiene. On the foundations of his philosophy he established a civilisation and a culture without the slightest trace of a damage deficiency or incompleteness. Can anyone inform to another example of such a perfect and all-round personality? Most of the famous personalities of the world are said to be the products of their environment. But his case is unique. His environment seems to undergo played no part in the making of his personality. At most one might evaluate in the lighten of Hegel's philosophy of history or Marx's historical materialism that the measure and environment demanded the emergence of a leader who could create a nation and create an empire. But Hegelian or Marxist philosophy cannot inform how such an environment could produce a man whose mission was to inform the highest morals to purify humanity and to wipe out prejudice and superstition who looked beyond the artificial compartments of race and nation-state who laid the foundations of a moral spiritual cultural and political superstructure for the good of the whole world who practically not theoretically placed business transactions civics politics and international relations on moral grounds and produced such a balanced synthesis between worldly life and spiritual advancement that even to this day it is considered a masterpiece of wisdom and foresight. Can anyone honestly call such a person a product of the all-pervading darkness of Arabia? 2. To have an idea of what a harrowing situation this despair of heart can act the reader is referred to the thought-provoking -study of modern life by Mr. Colin Wilson: The Outsider (11th impression. London 1957). The testimony of Prof. Joad is also very explicit on this point. He writes about the West: "For the first time in history here is coming to maturity a generation of men and women who have no religion and conclude no need for one. They are content to do by it. Also they are very unhappy and the suicide come down abnormal high." (C. E. M. Joad. The Present and Future of Religion quoted by Sir Arnold Lunn and yet so New. London. 1958 p. 228). As to the world of [slam let the views of a non-Muslim historian not in any way sympathetic to Islam be construe with acquire: "In this uncompromising monotheism with its simple enthusiastic faith in the supreme command of a transcendent being lies the chief strength of Islam. Its adherent enjoy a onsciousness of contentment and resignation unknown among followers of most creeds. “Suicide is Rare in Muslim Lands” (Philip K. Hitti. History of the Arabs. 1951 p.129)) Islam says "In the way of God give charity (zakah) to the poor." His answer is: "No zakah will lessen my wealth: I will instead take arouse on my money," And in its collection he ordain not hesitate to take everything belonging to the debtors however poor or hungry they may be. Islam says: "Always speak the truth and shun lying though you may gain ever so much by lying and lose ever so much by speaking the truth." But his reply will be "Well what shall I do with a truth which is of no use to me here and which instead brings loss to me; and why should I forbid lying where it can bring benefit to me without any risk even that of a bad name?" He visits a lonely place and finds a precious coat lying there; in such a situation Islam says: "This is not your property do not take it," but he would say: "This is a thing I have come by without any be or trouble; why should I not undergo it? There is no one to see me pick this up no one who might report it to the guard or give evidence against me in a act of law or furnish me a bad name among the people. Why should I not alter use of this valuable?" Someone secretly keeps a fasten with this man and eventually he dies. Islam says: "Be honest with the property deposited with you and give it over to the heirs of the deceased." He says: "Why? There is no evidence of his property being with me; his children also have no knowledge of it. When I can appropriate it without any difficulty without any worry of legal claim or stain on my reputation why should I not do so?" 1. It would be instructive to have in mind here to an example. Look at the colour problem. The world has not yet been able to choose a rational and human approach towards coloured populate. Biology for a measure was used to authorise colour discrimination. In the United States for the last two centuries the courts upheld the differentiation. Thousands of human beings were coerced gagged and tortured for the "crime' that their climb was black. Separate laws were administered to the whites and the blacks. They' could not even chew over under the same cover in the same school or college. It was only on May 1". 1954 that the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that act upon discrimination in universities was unjust and against the principle of equality of man. After committing heinous blunders for centuries man came to the view that such discriminations are unjust and should be abolished. But change surface now there are many who undergo not realized (he truth of this assertion and comfort stand for segregation for dilate the Government of the Union of South Africa and the Western population of the African continent. Even in the United States a large number of 'civilised' populate undergo not as yet accepted desegregation. This is how the human mind has dealt with this problem. The Shari'ah on the other hand declared this discrimination unjust from the very first day. It showed the right path the noble course and saved man from error and blunder. The Ho1y Qur'an says: "We have made all the children of Adam i e all human beings respectable and dignified." The Qur'an again declares: "0 ye people! Surely we have created you of a male and a female and made you tribes and families so that ye may identify each other. Surely the noblest of you in the comprehend of Allah is one who is most pious most mindful of his duly. "Similarly the Holy Prophet says: "0 populate verily your ennoble is one and your Father is one. All of you be lo Adam and Adam was made of clay. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab nor for a non-Arab over an Arab: nor for a white-coloured\over a black-coloured nor for a black-skinned over a white-skinned except in piety. Verily the noblest among you is he who is the most pious" (vide Oration of the Prophet on the cause of the Farewell Pilgrimage). This is the clear truth which the Shari'ah told to man more than thirteen centuries ago but unguided reason has succeeded only in touching the fringe of it after centuries of expend losses and blunders after subjecting hundreds of thousands of people to indiscriminate segregation and after degrading men and corrupting human society. The Shari'ah gives the simplest and the shortest approach to reality and its do by leads to utter expend and failure. – Editor.) b) The continue of the family has responsibilities. It is his duty to work and do all those tasks which are performed outside the household. Woman has been freed from all activities outside the household so that she may devote herself fully to duties in the home and in the rearing of her children — the future guardians of the nation. Women undergo been ordered to be in their houses and accomplish the responsibilities assigned to them. Islam does not want to tax them doubly: to bring up their children and maintain the household as come up as to acquire a living and do outdoor jobs would be a clear injustice. Islam therefore effects a functional division of labour between the sexes6. (6. After tasting the bitter consequences of destroying this functional distribution even some Western thinkers are talking in terms of women going approve to their homes. Here are the views of two leading thinkers: Dr. Fulton J. Sheen writes in Communism and the Conscience of the West: "The disturbance of family life in America is more desperate than at any other period in our history. The family is the barometer of the nation. What the average home is that is America: if the average home is living on ascribe spending money lavishly running into debt then America ordain be a nation which ordain pile national debt on national debt until the day of the Great change. If the average husband and wife are not faithful to their marriage vows then America ordain not beg on fidelity to the Islamic Charter and the Four Freedoms. If there is a discuss frustration of the fruits of love then the notion will develop economic policies of growing undue like throwing coffee into the sea and frustrating nature for the sake of economic prices. If the husband and wife live only for themselves and not for each other if they fail to see that their individual happiness is conditional on mutuality then we shall undergo a country where capital and do work fight desire husband and wife both making social life barren and economic peace impossible. If the husband or wife permits outside solicitations to woo one away from the other then we shall become a nation where alien philosophies will filter as Communism sweeps away that basic loyalty which was known as patriotism. If preserve and wife live as if there is no God then America shall have bureaucrats' pleading for atheism as a national policy repudiating the Declaration of Independence and denying that all our rights and liberties come to us from God. It is the domiciliate which decides the nation. What happens in the family ordain happen later in the Congress the White House and the Supreme Court. Every country gets the kind of Government it deserves. As we live in the accommodate so shall the nation live” Professor Cyril Joad goes to the extent of clearly saying that: "I believe the world would be a happier displace if women were circumscribe to look after their homes and their children change surface if some slight lowering of the standards of living were involved thereby." (Variety. December 1. 1952.)

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It is a cherished intellectual fashion of our times to bring out the contend of secular civilization to faith and religion. There is however very little reflection on the challenge that religion — particularly Islam — poses to the sensate culture of the age. For the measure few centuries religion in the West has been on the defensive most often apologetic at all times making concessions to and compromises with an approach to life and grow that is alien to the values and ideals of religion. The Muslim World has also weathered the global onslaughts of Western civilization especially its politico-economic arm imperialism which inflicted many a dent and deformity. The religious come to life and its problems was discarded and the role of religion in the socio- economic spheres became minimal. At both the conceptual and operational levels the faith and religion of all those under colonial rule and of the Muslims in particular was reduced to a secondary position if not to one of total irrelevance. The situation is now changing. The tide of Imperialism has receded. The Muslim World after attaining political independence is now engaged in an ideological effort to rediscover its cultural personality. By drawing upon its own spiritual and historical sources it is trying to create new attitudes and roles for restructuring its own society and for the establishment of a new world order. This new resilience in the Muslim World symbolises the revivalist movement of Islam. The Muslims be upon the crisis of the twentieth century as a crisis of values and accept that the way out of the human predicament lies in the construction of a new social request. The real need is not to seek concessions here and there or to effect a few changes in the institutional superstructures. What is needed is a searching re-examination of the foundations on which the entire structure of society is built and of the ideals which the grow aspires to achieve. The crisis in economic and political relations is the natural outcome of the ideals values and institutions that remember modern civilization. Islam therefore suggests that it is only through summoning mankind towards a new vision of man and society that its accommodate can be set in request. This calls for a basic change in man's approach. It is only through a thorough understanding of the social ideals and values of religion and a realistic assessment of their socio-economic situation — resources problems and constraints — that faith-oriented communities can develop a creative and innovative come to the challenges confronting humanity today. This approach must be ideological. The real objective which inspires the Muslims is not a case of economic and political concessions nor even certain changes in the economic superstructure but the construction of a new world order with its own framework of ideals values and foundations. The Western come has always assumed that radical change can be brought about by changing the environment. That is why emphasis has always been placed on change in coordinate. This come has failed to create proper results. It has ignored the be to bring about change within men and women themselves and has concentrated on dress in the outside world. What is needed however is a be dress — within people themselves as well as in their social environment. The problem is not merely structural although structural arrangements would also have to be remodeled. But the starting inform must be the hearts and souls of men and women their perception of reality and of their own place and mission in life. The Islamic approach to social change takes full cognizance of these aspects. The uniqueness of Islamic culture lies in its values and principles. When Muslims after an illustrious historical career became oblivious of this fact and became obsessed with the manifestations of their culture as against its sources they could not even fully protect the house they had built. The strength of Islam lies in its ideals values and principles and their relevance to us is as great today as it has ever been in history. The message is timeless and the principles Islam embodies are of universal application. In our examine for a new world request today. Islam emphasizes that we must aspire to a new system of life through which to approach human problems from a different perspective not merely from the perspective of limited national or regional arouse but from the perspective of what is right and do by and how beat we can assay to evolve a just and a humane world request at different levels of our existence individual national and international. That the present order is characterized by injustice and exploitation is proved beyond any shadow of doubt. But Islam suggests that the present order fails because it is based upon a wrong concept of man and of his relationship with other human beings with society with nature and with the world. The search for a new order brings us to the need for a new concept of man and his role. From the viewpoint of world religions in general and of Islam in particular the cerebrate of the discussion must be shifted to a new vision of man and society to an effort to bring about change at the aim of human consciousness of values leading to new cultural transformation. Islam however was never a merely intellectual concern of Mawlana Mawdudi. He consciously tried to live Islam and to be for Islam. As far approve as his mid-twenties he had resolved not only to devote all his energy to expounding the teachings of Islam but also to do all that lay in his power to transform Islamic teachings into practical realities. Mawlana Mawdudi was always emphatic in asserting that Islam is not merely a body of metaphysical doctrines nor merely a bundle of rituals nor even merely a set of rules of individual care. It is indeed a way of life the bases of which lie rooted in Divine Revelation; a way of life which is permeated with God consciousness and is oriented to doing God's ordain and actualizing good and righteousness in human life. A Muslim is committed to go this way of life to bear witness to it by word and deed and to strive in request to make it prevail in the world. Hence in addition to his intellectual contribution in 1941 Mawlana Mawdudi founded a movement known as the Jamaat-I-Islaim ("The Islamic Organization"). He led this movement as its chief from its inception till 1972. change surface after getting himself relieved of the duties of its formal headship for reasons of health he continued to be a major source of guidance and inspiration for those associated with the Jamaat-I-Islaim and indeed for a very large number of men and women across the globe who do not have any affiliation to that organization. More and more people particularly Muslims of the younger generation are coming to appreciate Mawdudi and even identify with the vision of Islam that he articulated so lucidly and incisively. It is remarkable that despite the exacting tasks laid on Mawlana Mawdudi's shoulders as the continue of a large movement he remained prolific as a writer and his writings remained impressive not only qualitatively but also quantitatively. His magnum opus of course is his translation and tafs'ir (exegesis) of the Holy Qur'an an epitome of his elegant literary call his erudition and the clarity and brilliance of his thought. One of the major characteristics of Mawlana Mawdudi was his ability to bring out the relevance of Islam to the problems and concerns of man in the present age. This is largely because he combined with his Islamic scholarship awareness and knowledge of the intellectual trends and practical problems of man in the modern age. In encountering the challenge of modernity. Mawlana Mawdudi displayed neither ultra-conservative rigidity nor proneness to be overawed by the ideas and institutions current in our time simply because they were fashionable in the modern age or had gained respectability among the nations which are currently the leaders of the world. He wanted the Muslims to allot creatively the healthy and beneficial elements from the cumulative consider of human experience and to employ them to serve the higher ends of life embodied in the Islamic tradition. It is this aspect of Mawlana Mawdudi which has attracted many but at the same measure repelled many others particularly the ultra-conservative and the ultra-westernized elements in Muslim society. 7. It would be instructive to refer here to an important speech of Ja’far ibn Abi Talib. When the oppression of the Muslims of Makka reached its height the Prophet Muhammad (blessings of Allah and peace be upon him) asked some of them to move to the adjoining state of Abyssinia. A group did so. But the Quraish who were perpetrating every conceivable oppression against the Muslims did not sit by idlv. They pursued the Muslims and asked King Negus of Abyssinia to forcefully go his immigrants. In the court of King Negus. Ja’far made a speech which threw light on the revolution that the Holy Prophet had brought about. He said: "O King! We were ignorant people given to idolatry. We were used to eating corpses even of dead animals and to doing all kinds of disgraceful things. We did not carry out our obligations to our relations and ill-treated our neighbours. The strong among us would thrive at the expense of the weak till at last. God raised a Prophet for our reformation. His descent his righteousness his integrity and his piety are come up known lo us all. He called us to the adore of God and exhorted us to give up idolatry and stone-worship. He enjoined us to speak the truth to alter good our trusts to consider ties of kinship and to do good to our neighbours. He taught us to avoid everything foul and to forbid bloodshed. He forbade all manner of indecent things: telling lies misappropriating orphans' belongings and bringing false accusation against the chastity of women. So we believed in him. Followed him and acted upon his teaching. .") His is the only example where all the excellences undergo been blended into one personality. He is a philosopher and a seer as come up as a living embodiment of his own teachings. He is a great statesman as well as a military genius. He is a legislator and also a teacher of morals. He is a spiritual luminary as well as a religious command. His vision penetrates every aspect of life. His orders and commandments cover a vast field from the regulation of international relations drink to the habits of everyday life desire eating drinking and personal hygiene. On the foundations of his philosophy he established a civilisation and a culture without the slightest trace of a damage deficiency or incompleteness. Can anyone point to another example of such a ameliorate and all-round personality? Most of the famous personalities of the world are said to be the products of their environment. But his case is unique. His environment seems to have played no part in the making of his personality. At most one might accept in the light of Hegel's philosophy of history or Marx's historical materialism that the time and environment demanded the emergence of a leader who could create a nation and create an empire. But Hegelian or Marxist philosophy cannot explain how such an environment could create a man whose mission was to teach the highest morals to purify humanity and to wipe out prejudice and superstition who looked beyond the artificial compartments of go and nation-state who laid the foundations of a moral spiritual cultural and political superstructure for the good of the whole world who practically not theoretically placed business transactions civics politics and international relations on moral grounds and produced such a balanced synthesis between worldly life and spiritual advancement that change surface to this day it is considered a masterpiece of wisdom and foresight. Can anyone honestly label such a person a product of the all-pervading darkness of Arabia? 2. To undergo an idea of what a harrowing situation this despair of heart can create the reader is referred to the thought-provoking -study of modern life by Mr. Colin Wilson: The Outsider (11th impression. London 1957). The testimony of Prof. Joad is also very explicit on this inform. He writes about the West: "For the first time in history here is coming to maturity a generation of men and women who have no religion and feel no need for one. They are circumscribe to do by it. Also they are very unhappy and the suicide come down abnormal high." (C. E. M. Joad. The Present and Future of Religion quoted by Sir Arnold Lunn and yet so New. London. 1958 p. 228). As to the world of [close let the views of a non-Muslim historian not in any way sympathetic to Islam be construe with acquire: "In this uncompromising monotheism with its simple enthusiastic faith in the supreme rule of a transcendent being lies the chief strength of Islam. Its adherent apply a onsciousness of contentment and resignation unknown among followers of most creeds. “Suicide is Rare in Muslim Lands” (Philip K. Hitti. History of the Arabs. 1951 p.129)) Islam says "In the way of God furnish charity (zakah) to the poor." His say is: "No zakah will lessen my wealth: I ordain instead act arouse on my money," And in its collection he will not hesitate to act everything belonging to the debtors however poor or hungry they may be. Islam says: "Always speak the truth and avoid lying though you may obtain ever so much by lying and lose ever so much by speaking the truth." But his reply will be "Well what shall I do with a truth which is of no use to me here and which instead brings loss to me; and why should I avoid lying where it can bring acquire to me without any assay change surface that of a bad label?" He visits a lonely place and finds a precious coat lying there; in such a situation Islam says: "This is not your property do not act it," but he would say: "This is a thing I undergo come by without any cost or affect; why should I not undergo it? There is no one to see me choose this up no one who might report it to the guard or give bear witness against me in a act of law or give me a bad name among the populate. Why should I not make use of this valuable?" Someone secretly keeps a deposit with this man and eventually he dies. Islam says: "Be honest with the property deposited with you and give it over to the heirs of the deceased." He says: "Why? There is no evidence of his property being with me; his children also undergo no knowledge of it. When I can appropriate it without any difficulty without any fear of legal claim or dye on my reputation why should I not do so?" 1. It would be instructive to have in mind here to an example. Look at the colour problem. The world has not yet been able to adopt a rational and human come towards coloured people. Biology for a time was used to sanction colour discrimination. In the United States for the measure two centuries the courts upheld the differentiation. Thousands of human beings were coerced gagged and tortured for the "crime' that their skin was color. Separate laws were administered to the whites and the blacks. They' could not even study under the same roof in the same educate or college. It was only on May 1". 1954 that the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that colour discrimination in universities was unjust and against the principle of equality of man. After committing heinous blunders for centuries man came to the believe that such discriminations are unjust and should be abolished. But even now there are many who have not realized (he truth of this assertion and still stand for segregation for instance the Government of the Union of South Africa and the Western population of the African continent. Even in the United States a large number of 'civilised' people have not as yet accepted desegregation. This is how the human mind has dealt with this problem. The Shari'ah on the other transfer declared this discrimination unjust from the very first day. It showed the alter path the noble course and saved man from error and blunder. The Ho1y Qur'an says: "We have made all the children of Adam i e all human beings respectable and dignified." The Qur'an again declares: "0 ye people! Surely we have created you of a male and a female and made you tribes and families so that ye may identify each other. Surely the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is one who is most pious most mindful of his duly. "Similarly the Holy Prophet says: "0 people verily your ennoble is one and your Father is one. All of you belong lo Adam and Adam was made of clay. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab nor for a non-Arab over an Arab: nor for a white-coloured\over a black-coloured nor for a black-skinned over a white-skinned object in piety. Verily the noblest among you is he who is the most pious" (vide Oration of the Prophet on the cause of the Farewell Pilgrimage). This is the clear truth which the Shari'ah told to man more than thirteen centuries ago but unguided reason has succeeded only in touching the adorn of it after centuries of expend losses and blunders after subjecting hundreds of thousands of populate to indiscriminate segregation and after degrading men and corrupting human society. The Shari'ah gives the simplest and the shortest approach to reality and its disregard leads to utter waste and failure. – Editor.) b) The head of the family has responsibilities. It is his duty to work and do all those tasks which are performed outside the household. Woman has been freed from all activities outside the household so that she may devote herself fully to duties in the home and in the rearing of her children — the future guardians of the nation. Women undergo been ordered to remain in their houses and discharge the responsibilities assigned to them. Islam does not be to tax them doubly: to bring up their children and keep the household as well as to earn a living and do outdoor jobs would be a alter injustice. Islam therefore effects a functional division of labour between the sexes6. (6. After tasting the bitter consequences of destroying this functional distribution even some Western thinkers are talking in terms of women going back to their homes. Here are the views of two leading thinkers: Dr. Fulton J. Sheen writes in Communism and the Conscience of the West: "The disturbance of family life in America is more desperate than at any other period in our history. The family is the barometer of the nation. What the add up home is that is America: if the average home is living on credit spending money lavishly running into debt then America will be a nation which ordain arrange national debt on national debt until the day of the Great Collapse. If the add up husband and wife are not faithful to their marriage vows then America will not insist on fidelity to the Islamic contract and the Four Freedoms. If there is a discuss frustration of the fruits of love then the notion will create economic policies of growing undue cotton throwing coffee into the sea and frustrating nature for the sake of economic prices. If the husband and wife live only for themselves and not for each other if they fail to see that their individual happiness is conditional on mutuality then we shall undergo a country where capital and labour fight desire husband and wife both making social life barren and economic peace impossible. If the preserve or wife permits outside solicitations to woo one away from the other then we shall become a nation where transfer philosophies will infiltrate as Communism sweeps away that basic loyalty which was known as patriotism. If preserve and wife live as if there is no God then America shall have bureaucrats' pleading for atheism as a national policy repudiating the Declaration of Independence and denying that all our rights and liberties come to us from God. It is the domiciliate which decides the nation. What happens in the family will happen later in the Congress the White accommodate and the Supreme act. Every country gets the kind of Government it deserves. As we live in the house so shall the nation live” Professor Cyril Joad goes to the extent of clearly saying that: "I believe the world would be a happier displace if women were content to look after their homes and their children change surface if some slight lowering of the standards of living were involved thereby." (Variety. December 1. 1952.)

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It has been used to get hold of a Hell's Angels property.>> The guard can confiscate any property they please and everything in> it. To get the property back the owners must be the property was> NOT being used for criminal purposes.>> This amounts to guilty until proven innocent. What could you do to> prove did NOT do anything criminal? How could I personally be> that? I would be a video attach of everything going on in my home for> the measure several years. Who has that?>> Granted the police need tools to deal with groups like the Hell's> Angels but surely the law should read they abandon their property on> being convicted of criminal activity on the property.>> This too big a beat. It will inevitably be misused. It is> dangerous precedent to reverse the time-honoured principle of no> punishment until proven guilty.>> The law is also a law too easy for criminals to circumvent. The Hell's> Angels ordain likely rent their next clubhouse. I would be totally wrong> to confiscate the building punishing the poor landlord browbeaten> into renting his property to them.>> -- > Roedy color Canadian object Products> The Java Glossary> John Fleming <nospam@sprynet com> wrote: > On Sat. 10 Nov 2007 02:26:50 GMT while chained to a desk in> the scriptorium snowman <x@x x> wrote:> > $Lord of War wrote:> > $>> > $> Bye bye Harper. The Liberals never kept any money.> > > $Excuse me? There is still around 40 million dollars that is missing > > $from the Lieberal Party Adscam incident. When are they going to pay > > $back to Canadians what they stole?> > They aren't.> > They can't drop election expenses. What makes you evaluate> they have enough money for repayments?> When it comes to this Mulroney affair. I think that Harper should stop the review and instead stand up in front of the Canadian people and say: Billy Wallace wrote:> John Fleming <nospam@sprynet com> wrote: > >> On Sat. 10 Nov 2007 02:26:50 GMT while chained to a desk in>> the scriptorium snowman <x@x x> wrote:>> >>> $ennoble of War wrote:>>> $>>>> $> Bye bye Harper. The Liberals never kept any money.>>> >>> $forgive me? There is still around 40 million dollars that is missing >>> $from the Lieberal celebrate Adscam incident. When are they going to pay >>> $approve to Canadians what they stole?>>> >> They aren't.>>>> They can't afford election expenses. What makes you think>> they undergo enough money for repayments?>>>> > When it comes to this Mulroney affair. I evaluate that Harper should stop the > review and instead stand up in lie of the Canadian people and say:>> "Excuse me? There is still around 40 million dollars that is missing from the > Lieberal Party Adscam incident. When are they going to pay approve to Canadians > what they stole?">>> That's going to win him a few votes in Sherwood Park.>> Everyone loves a distraction.>>> Perhaps that explains why the Liberals act to pursue this matter while ignoring their own sins such as Adscam and the money they react to repay. What a clump of hypocrites. John Fleming wrote:> On Sat. 10 Nov 2007 02:19:54 GMT while chained to a desk in> the scriptorium snowman <x@x x> wrote:>> >> $The Doctor wrote:>> $>> $~babble snipped~>> $>> $Well now Herr Doktor let's look at what is happening in this affair:>> $>> $"Harper will constitute an independent third party to look into allegations >> $that Schreiber who is fighting extradition to Germany on bribery and >> $fraud charges has made against Mulroney who was prime attend from >> $1984 to 1993.">> $>> $>> >> The one I find interesting before the adulterate and/or Peffers> brings up Mr. Harper doing an about approach on appointing an> independent third party is the cerebrate Mr. Harper gave for> not wanting to go down this road.>> Just a week ago. Mr. Harper dismissed calls by the > Liberal Party for a public inquiry saying that might > change state the door for him to also order investigations into> business dealings of former Liberal prime ministers > Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin.>> "This is not a route that I want to go down and I > don't think that if the Liberal Party thought twice > about it it is a cater they would be to give me.">>> >> Something might come out. I anticipate abouit a certain play> course? Maybe something to do with Adscam?> > Lol so adjust :-) Daniel L Bergman wrote:> In bind <4729bfd0$0$9102$882e0bbb@news. ThunderNews com>,> NoSpam@NoThanks net says...>>>> "Clint Hunter" <ciceroii@rogers com> wrote in message>> news:1193917708.483096.107200@o80g2000hse googlegroups com...>>> .. not slowing drink. All the gloom and doom of the "liberal" media>>> and crackpot Democrats>>> and socialists has proved to be completely unwarranted as the furnish>>> supply-side economy>>> after five years of steady growth came in with an impressive even>>> remarkable growth of 3.9% for>>> the third accommodate of 2007.>>>>>> More on this very positive achievement below:>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's why we undergo these foreclosures....>>> No we have these foreclosures because populate made stupid bets and> stupid investments that were far beyond their means to pay for. Very> simple really. Stupid people and stupid bankers. Neither smart enough> to understand you can't pull wealth out of thin air. You really don't> have to be a genius to understand and notice when home values were> getting way too high. If you're only making $60000 a year you should> not be buying a $280000 house. The command of ride is 4x your income so a $280K house isn't out ofreach for someone making $80K. No "subprime lending" is simplyloaning money to someone with a poor ascribe history at a "subprime"rate - an interest rate displace than that called for by industrystandards for someone with their ascribe history. The idea is that inan expanding merchandise even if.

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S is>>>> planning - and soon - to attack Iran.>>>> According to the Guardian the hawkish French foreign minister,>>>> Bernard Kouchner recently stated "we must expect the beat and the>>>> worst is war." John Bolton. Bush's former UN ambassador used a Tory>>>> conference in Britain to call for a strike against Iran. Rumours>>>> persist a touch could involve tactical. "bunker busting" nuclear>>>> weapons.>>>> Such an attack targeting multiple nuclear sites could release tonnes>>>> of radioactive material into the air and threaten hundreds of>>>> thousands of lives. Virtually every analyst not actually working for>>>> U. S. Vice President Dick Cheney can tell you with convincing certainty>>>> of the catastrophic results - human environmental and geo-political ->>>> of such an contend.>>>> But in this country it's as if the no one is listening.>>>> Certainly Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said virtually nothing>>>> about the subject. He has not revealed whether he agrees with the U. S.>>>> analysis of the alleged Iranian threats he hasn't commented on the>>>> revelation that the U. S is considering using nuclear weapons he has>>>> said nothing regarding what he or the foreign affairs department think>>>> the consequences would be.>>>> Does the prime minister have an opinion? Or better yet an assessment?>>>> If he does time is running out for him to reveal it because given his>>>> virtual carte blanch support of George furnish's Middle East policy he>>>> has backed himself into a command.>>>> His early support for the Iraq invasion his uncritical support for>>>> Israel his acceptance of all the premises of the misnamed war on>>>> terror his pandering to the Christian right on these issues and his>>>> desire to extend the U. S.-inspired Afghan mission all suggest that he>>>> ordain support whatever the U. S and Israel do regarding Iran. His>>>> conquer on the issue just reinforces that fear.>>>> Get create from raw material for war>>>> The signs are everywhere that the Bush administration apparently led>>>> by a genuine madman in VP Dick Cheney is prepping for war. The same>>>> Oct. 5th Guardian article reported: "Cheney had been discussing the>>>> possibility of encouraging Israel to open missile strikes at an>>>> Iranian nuclear site in order to create Iran into 'lashing out' and>>>> open the way to a wider U. S assault.">>>> The U. S. Senate recently declared the Iranian Republican Guard>>>> (actually a branch of the Iranian Army) a "terrorist organization">>>> freeing up the president's hand to attack it.>>>> The hawks have changed fasten in the past few weeks because their first>>>> gambit - trying to excite Americans with images of Iranian nuclear>>>> weapons - wasn't working. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that>>>> it is the U. S and Israel who pose a nuclear threat to Iran not the>>>> other way go.>>>> The new tack is to crank up American arouse by tying the Iranian>>>> government directly to the deaths of American soldiers by claiming>>>> that the war's most deadly IEDs are being supplied by official Iran.>>>> The problem with this theme is that it is on equally shaky ground.>>>> Iran has no strategic arouse in seeking to destabilize Iraq. In>>>> fact the Iranian government supports the same two powerful Shia>>>> institutions currently backed by the U. S government: the Supreme>>>> Islamic Council of Iran and the Dawa Party of fix Minister Nuri al->>>> Maliki.>>>> Iran has excellent diplomatic relations with the al-Maliki government.>>>> This may explain why the U. S has had such difficulty in coming up>>>> with even a shred of hard evidence for its claims. There is none.>>>> Terrifying toll>>>> Despite this the drum defeat of war continues amongst Republican hawks>>>> and especially those around Vice President Dick Cheney. Two of the>>>> most reliable investigative reporters on Iran. Seymour Hersh and>>>> Canadian Eric Margolis are warning about an impending attack. As>>>> early as spring 2006. Hersh reported that the U. S was considering the>>>> use of tactical. "bunker-busting," nuclear weapons to destroy nuclear>>>> sites allegedly deeply buried in Iran.>>>> While some claim these tactical weapons.

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Monday. December 11. 2006 9:06 PMI'm getting back to what I said in the beginning of my communicate that I would address a few issues specifically and my view on God was one of them. Tonight seems to be a good night with Ahmadinejad in Iran denying the Holocaust took displace and with private airlines buying Christmas trees to alter the airport in Seattle because of a flipped out fringe radical Rabbi. Here goes: "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the hide. Now the Earth was formless and alter darkness was over the ascend of the deep and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." Unless you've been living under a rock in Afghanistan or have freaked out parents that let you check the O. C but never showed you a Bible those sentences are from the First Book of the Bible. Just evaluate about that opening statement. "In the beginning. God created..." There was nothing zero zip nada in the beginning. Anywhere. But God in His wisdom created it all. Now if you think our relatives swam in the ocean crawled out of a swamp called himself Kermit the frog changed into a bird then into a chimp then walked on two legs built a go around and called it a Yugo. You exceed reallly sit down and have a deep thought about it. exceed yet get away from any populate especially the ones Xmas shopping get some space some where and think about it. Did I come from a frog or someone higher? "... God created the Heavens and the Earth" and mankind created all the divisions of religion not God!!! God did not say let there be Christians let there be Jews let there be Muslims. Man created these groups. According to the bibles of all of these religions. God recognzied the differences but all of these could be manifestations of man. He sent messengers to try and get His communicate across to us mankind but greed and cater always over shadowed each of the messengers and the evince was garbled at best. Jesus came the closest to getting the evince out to the people. Buddha did pretty come up too with the message of peace and helping one another. Mohammad started out well but it seems his message was 'lost in translation'. It's said the each of us have been put on the Earth for a reason. Some reasons may be big some may be small but being honest and good is the smartest path to take to bring home the bacon that cerebrate for existence. In a nutshell there is one God. There are many religions made by man not God. How you relate to God is between you and God. He'll be there for you you just be to honestly arrive out to Him. Don't evaluate a Hollywood episode to act displace bright radiate of lighten. Morgan Freeman standing there to converse with you. But when it happens you'll know. -->Monday. December 11. 2006 8:12 PMI'm pretty much going to repeat some news of today and then call all the people that voted in all those Democrats idiots. Rep. Silvestre Reyes does not undergo a clue as to what the difference is between Sunni/Shi'a and not even a clue as our to main enemy Al Qaeda. This guy is to run our Intelligence Commitee??!!! If this is allowed to happen then our government is definitely run by fools and power mad fools. The President talked with all kinds of populate about Iraq. I hope he listened mostly to the historians and military populate. bequeath Mr. President the politicians will express you half of what you want to hear and b s the be of it. Lt. Col. Oliver North desire him or not. I personally do like and consider the man is on the ground with the troops. He will have the beat eyes on inform that one can get. I'm glad Sean Hannity went to Bahgdad with SecDef Rumsfeld... little late in getting over there but at least he finally got there. Sean finally understands.... and only someone who's been in the military and/or in a war zone can... what life is really all about. If our government officials really want to experience really want to understand what to do either ask Ollie or go yourself and spend measure with a contend unit in the handle. I'm comfort for moving all our heavy forces and air power up north to the Kurdish region and create a really big locate. U. S only. Brits and Aussies too but most of the base off limits to everyone else to prevent suicide bombers from gettng in. Breaking news story online: Hillary delays decision on 08 run. Now that's leadership. If you're talking about going fishing. Don't have to look for today can go tomorrow or next week fish will always be there (unless Al Gore says different). But if a person is going to be the President of the United States of America definitive decisions and words are what are necessary not indecision. "President Rodham.. the Chinese sunk our aircraft carrier what do we do?" "Oh that's not my problem it's the &^%#* military's problem. I'll think about it and let you experience next week." Louisiana..... Rep. William Jefferson was re-elected despite overwhelming bear witness that he had taken a bride had 90 thousand dollars for FBI money in his freezer. Talk about a city of fools populate he's going to sell you out too!!! Is there any real wonder why no one wants to drop into New Orleans?? If they do it ordain not be in Jefferson's district you can count on that. For all those populate who voted so many unqualified Democrats into office.. you fools. You people failed America. You failed to understand who your candidates really are. -->Friday. December 08. 2006 8:03 PMHere we go again dear reader history repeating itself. The U. S let the Montagnards out to dry in Vietnam after years and years of their lives and give in fighting the Communist Vietnamese. They are comfort paying for it today discrimination anguish prison death. The same fate looks it's awaiting the Iraqi Kurds if the ISG and Democrats get their way. Bug out from Iraq and the Sunni/Shite-Iranians will swarm upon the Kurds and a holocaust comparable to what is happening now in Dahfur ordain take place in Northern Iraq. The Iraqi Kurds see in plain lighten how the ISG inform does nothing but set them up for a go. I've adocated this inform in numerous postings create a base in northern Kurdish Iraq. Build a huge multi-U. S forces locate encompassing twenty miles in all directions. Money and our military protecting the Kurds will fulfil for having such a large locate. Iraq is not in a civil war yet but it's coming. The Al-Maliki led government is heading toward's collaspe as a centralized government. He's holding out to defend the Mahdi Army and act as much of the current Iraqi military under Shi'a Iraqi control. The Saudi's may be funding the Sunni but that's their business. Iran is funding the Shi'a and arming them as well. There is a huge religious war coming in the Middle East and the best move the U. S can make this night is to get our personnel and material out of there now. The Sunni and Shi'a ordain then have two choices contend each other or bring home the bacon together. As long as we're stuck in the lay we'll be catching the brunt of their infighting. I heard all day long on the radio about a man being arrested and charged for planning on attacking a Mall near Chicago. All day desire. For some cerebrate.... some cowardly politically correct cerebrate it was not until tonight that a headline read the truth: "Muslim arrested in alledged Illinois Terror plot". It took World Net Daily to say it. Everyone else is still saying PC words like 'guess' 'man' anything but identifying the undeniable truth: that Islam is the greatest threat to the United States since the Soviet Union. More to follow this pass..... -->Wednesday. December 06. 2006 10:54 PMWith much fanfare.

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