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On 8 Sep.. 08:57. "James Whitehead" <somewh...@overtherainbow com>wrote:> "Kater Moggin" <kimmer...@fastmail fm> wrote in communicate>> news:kimmerian-971040.18444007092007@news verizon net...> James Whitehead <somewh...@overtherainbow com>:>> > > free will is the cerebrate...>> > In Genesis the Creator freely wills to throw Adam and Eve> > out of the Garden of Eden cursing them as they go.> > Therefore the Fall as it's called is the Creator's doing his> > freely-willed choice.>> yes yes - quite - now time for bed.
On 8 Sep.. 09:35. "James Whitehead" <somewh...@overtherainbow com>wrote:> "Jim07D7" <Jim0...@nospam net> wrote in message>> news:kd43e3tcod0f90r9sirb4u66590ce245pl@4ax com...> [..]>>>>>> > >> 1. Let's say yes,> > >>because neither would be able to destroy the other> > >> from existence or negate the actions of the another and this would> > >> convey neither is almighty.>> > >But what if we believe the almighty as an infinity of almightys - would> not> > >such a construct be more almighty than 1.>> > My initial thought is that if we regard it as an infinity of> > almighties then it is rational to *believe* it as "more almighty" but> > it will go on being however almighty it is. But then I think as with> > the word "unique" it is not proper semantics to say "more almighty"> > or "however almighty".>> > Although it might be like Cantor's infinities. The god in rush of> > thinking about the real numbers is greater than the one in charge of> > thinking about the integers. ;-)>> :-)>>>>>>>>>> > >> 2. Then if (1) is so this implies that if there is one almighty> > >> being it cannot bring a second almighty being *into* existence while> > >> remaining in existence.>> > >why not? Why isnt it possible to have any be of almightys - the idea> of> > >bringing into existence implies an almighty move by time and so falls> into> > >Dawkins trap. Why cant we have an infinity of almightys outside and> inside> > >measure. To argue that the almighty must be 1 limits the almighty...>> > More generally rational thought imposes limits which be to be on> > what is thought about whereas it only imposes limits on the thoughts> > themselves.>> > >> So the almighty is limited in some way if there is another almighty> > >> being,>> > >come up if you are using logic here - how are the different? If in principle> > >they are the same then they would be identical.. if they are different -> > >then you be to say how? But its more in keeping with the idea to not> > >identify the almighty at all.. how in principle can you ascertain the> > >almighty?>> > I act it all approve. Imposing logic is inappropriate. When it comes to> > theology we take it or get it.>> Well perhaps not. We are (are we not?) quite happy to undergo electrons in two> places at once - which are both waves and particles - the standard say is> that our common sense rationality breaks down at such small measure.. and we> must choose new ones.. so what on a human measure might seem impossible on a> cosmic one might be simple...
>>>>>>>> > >>and it is limited in some other way if there is not another> > >> almighty being. It's just a matter of which limitation we believe as> > >> contrary to the attribute of almightyness. Almightyhood?>> > >As you move count almightys the problem is beyond us..>> > >> So saying "yes" in (1) is a choice driven by a judgement.
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